Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)
Discussion
jon- said:
Piper was claiming Hales miss-shifted down and over revved the engine causing the damage. Hales claimed he didn't miss-shift and the car just broke.
Very different from the E60 case where you literally can't do anything to damage the SMG gearbox, it just lunched itself. If I was the owner of the car and a friend was driving it, I would have taken it on the chin too, it would have gone regardless.
A friend of mine had a pagoda roof Mercedes sl. He was very busy and repeatedly asked if i would like to use it for a weekend. I was fairly busy too but thought i might have a weekend away somewhere with my wife. Before i could take up the offer , the car had something terminal happen to the engine. Had i been driving it at the time, i would have felt responsible. I i have not borrowed a car since. Despite many offers to do so from friends and familyVery different from the E60 case where you literally can't do anything to damage the SMG gearbox, it just lunched itself. If I was the owner of the car and a friend was driving it, I would have taken it on the chin too, it would have gone regardless.
jon- said:
Piper was claiming Hales miss-shifted down and over revved the engine causing the damage. Hales claimed he didn't miss-shift and the car just broke.
Very different from the E60 case where you literally can't do anything to damage the SMG gearbox, it just lunched itself. If I was the owner of the car and a friend was driving it, I would have taken it on the chin too, it would have gone regardless.
Does that include holding it in gear at a high revs? On that LLF video, 'LLF' said he liked to leave it in manual shift instead of auto and i would assume he kept it in the upper reaches for longer.Very different from the E60 case where you literally can't do anything to damage the SMG gearbox, it just lunched itself. If I was the owner of the car and a friend was driving it, I would have taken it on the chin too, it would have gone regardless.
Or are the SMG's just abit weak and meant to be left in auto?
lemmingjames said:
jon- said:
Piper was claiming Hales miss-shifted down and over revved the engine causing the damage. Hales claimed he didn't miss-shift and the car just broke.
Very different from the E60 case where you literally can't do anything to damage the SMG gearbox, it just lunched itself. If I was the owner of the car and a friend was driving it, I would have taken it on the chin too, it would have gone regardless.
Does that include holding it in gear at a high revs? On that LLF video, 'LLF' said he liked to leave it in manual shift instead of auto and i would assume he kept it in the upper reaches for longer.Very different from the E60 case where you literally can't do anything to damage the SMG gearbox, it just lunched itself. If I was the owner of the car and a friend was driving it, I would have taken it on the chin too, it would have gone regardless.
Or are the SMG's just abit weak and meant to be left in auto?
Relatively short, hard acceleration runs. All high throttle opening, all high revs. Broken up by traffic, junctions and roundabouts. Not a whole lot of opportunity for a gearbox, getting 50% more power and a whole load more torque than standard put through it, to cool it’s fluid.
Owner stated he hadn’t touched the gearbox.
Not making excuses for the guy driving, but it’s not a massively surprising failure all things considered.
The SMG box isn't as weak as the internet would have you believe it is. My morals wouldn't allow me to just walk away from a car if it broke while I was driving it. There is no guarantee that the failure would have happened when the owner was driving it. I think if nothing else, an offer (which I am sure would have been turned down by the owner) to contribute wouldn't have gone amiss.
emicen said:
ashleyman said:
TheAngryDog said:
What in the name of all f
kwittery fkwits is this st?
https://youtu.be/H2KOUXMmhGE
How in the name of fk did they get 3.7m subscribers? They must all be fking sad s who subscribe to this st.
This guy has been around for years. He started by pranking his brother and posting the videos on Facebook. kwittery fkwits is this st?https://youtu.be/H2KOUXMmhGE
How in the name of f
k did they get 3.7m subscribers? They must all be fking sad s who subscribe to this st. - Fake pranking* his brother.
t up, like the bloke with the girlfriend who was meant to be dumb as a box of rocks.There’s YouTube channels out there with 60k views of 20mins clothes shopping for their dad. It really makes you wonder just how unhappy in life a lot of the world is to find a 20min segment of someone else’s life, doing something utterly boring, to be worth watching.
TheAngryDog said:
The SMG box isn't as weak as the internet would have you believe it is. My morals wouldn't allow me to just walk away from a car if it broke while I was driving it. There is no guarantee that the failure would have happened when the owner was driving it. I think if nothing else, an offer (which I am sure would have been turned down by the owner) to contribute wouldn't have gone amiss.
If you rang your friends doorbell and a wiring issue caused his house to burn down, would you offer to pay for the house?
No way is LLF responsible for the gearbox failure. As many have said, the SMG is computer controlled. Obviously driving enthusiastically with increased output from the engine will add to the stress on the components, but I don't feel he should be guilt tripped into being involved with the repairs.
We had this discussion a few months ago and the Porsche incident was brought forward. It's a worry for sure.
We had this discussion a few months ago and the Porsche incident was brought forward. It's a worry for sure.
jon- said:
TheAngryDog said:
The SMG box isn't as weak as the internet would have you believe it is. My morals wouldn't allow me to just walk away from a car if it broke while I was driving it. There is no guarantee that the failure would have happened when the owner was driving it. I think if nothing else, an offer (which I am sure would have been turned down by the owner) to contribute wouldn't have gone amiss.
If you rang your friends doorbell and a wiring issue caused his house to burn down, would you offer to pay for the house?camshafted said:
It's a slightly different level/scenario but around five years ago David Piper sued journalist and racing driver Mark Hales after the engine of the Porsche he was driving on track for a feature suffered serious damage. I think Piper won - it was a low six-figure case. "You bend it you mend it" were Piper's words I believe.
I thought of this when reading the earlier posts. You are 100% correct Mark Hales was successfully sued for this. I thought it was a tremendoudly ungentlemanly action on behalf of the car's owner that was landed gentry Vs Mark Hales = not a wealthy man. Who knows how they handled eachother though? Still food for thought as I would be amazed if any of the choobers (other than Shmee) have full proper insurance for driving other peoples cars in a journalistic capacity. I pay £3500 as a trader so you can double that for hooning about in lambos. Jurno's have a horrific track record for smashing stuff up! fridaypassion said:
camshafted said:
It's a slightly different level/scenario but around five years ago David Piper sued journalist and racing driver Mark Hales after the engine of the Porsche he was driving on track for a feature suffered serious damage. I think Piper won - it was a low six-figure case. "You bend it you mend it" were Piper's words I believe.
I thought of this when reading the earlier posts. You are 100% correct Mark Hales was successfully sued for this. I thought it was a tremendoudly ungentlemanly action on behalf of the car's owner that was landed gentry Vs Mark Hales = not a wealthy man. Who knows how they handled eachother though? Still food for thought as I would be amazed if any of the choobers (other than Shmee) have full proper insurance for driving other peoples cars in a journalistic capacity. I pay £3500 as a trader so you can double that for hooning about in lambos. Jurno's have a horrific track record for smashing stuff up! It wasn’t just a mechanical failure, if it had been then Hales wouldn’t have been liable. IIRC, Hales admitted he was at fault but when he tried to claim from his insurance they wouldn’t pay out because it was driver error.
Driver error - Vlogger pays
Mechanical failure - owner pays
smokeey said:
fridaypassion said:
camshafted said:
It's a slightly different level/scenario but around five years ago David Piper sued journalist and racing driver Mark Hales after the engine of the Porsche he was driving on track for a feature suffered serious damage. I think Piper won - it was a low six-figure case. "You bend it you mend it" were Piper's words I believe.
I thought of this when reading the earlier posts. You are 100% correct Mark Hales was successfully sued for this. I thought it was a tremendoudly ungentlemanly action on behalf of the car's owner that was landed gentry Vs Mark Hales = not a wealthy man. Who knows how they handled eachother though? Still food for thought as I would be amazed if any of the choobers (other than Shmee) have full proper insurance for driving other peoples cars in a journalistic capacity. I pay £3500 as a trader so you can double that for hooning about in lambos. Jurno's have a horrific track record for smashing stuff up! It wasn’t just a mechanical failure, if it had been then Hales wouldn’t have been liable. IIRC, Hales admitted he was at fault but when he tried to claim from his insurance they wouldn’t pay out because it was driver error.
Driver error - Vlogger pays
Mechanical failure - owner pays
Back to the FOS coverage recently. I must admit that I thought SOL and Sam did a decent job on their build-up videos (this Michelin and Shell thing) but my word their coverage of the actual event was very poor compared to others (Our mate Shmee in particular).
I realize the effort required, but Tim pumping out 4/5/6 videos over the course of the 3 days is perfect for the level of detail I like. I think one thing that Tim has really mastered is the art of getting as many videos as possible out of one event/item, without it being tedious.
Why do 1 FOS video when you can do one of each car you run up the hill in, along with a run around the carpark and review of the paddock area. 2 day event = 6 days worth of content.
I realize the effort required, but Tim pumping out 4/5/6 videos over the course of the 3 days is perfect for the level of detail I like. I think one thing that Tim has really mastered is the art of getting as many videos as possible out of one event/item, without it being tedious.
Why do 1 FOS video when you can do one of each car you run up the hill in, along with a run around the carpark and review of the paddock area. 2 day event = 6 days worth of content.
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