Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)
Discussion
Greshamst said:
I see TGE brother is now “selling” his 488 after having “bought” it from redline 7 months ago.
It’s almost as if they just lent it to him for publicity and now he has to hand it back...
I don't think YouTubers should use their channels to advertise the sale of their own or connected parties cars.It’s almost as if they just lent it to him for publicity and now he has to hand it back...
These two conversations illustrate why. One took place before the car was put up for sale and the other took place shortly after it was sold -
https://youtu.be/B5DjLqn54uQ?t=791
https://youtu.be/pimTmLK7gls?t=40
not sure if it should be in here or the beard thread but read the comments on the guy purchasing this lambo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVl41O8NkDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVl41O8NkDE
nyxster said:
Shame really, he had all the connections and skills to do something different with some proper race and car content but seems to have been assimilated into the Instagram narcissists club.
I agree, but you, me and PHers in general are not a large demographic - what you suggest above simply wouldn't get the number of views, and that is where the revenue comes from.Quantity over quality wins at the moment.
lemmingjames said:
not sure if it should be in here or the beard thread but read the comments on the guy purchasing this lambo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVl41O8NkDE
Our good friend flinty pops up in the comments. He came on here some years ago spouting about how he was going to buy an R8. He claims to be a millionaire now thanks to cryptocurrency. I smell the same bullshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVl41O8NkDE
t. will_ said:
I agree, but you, me and PHers in general are not a large demographic - what you suggest above simply wouldn't get the number of views, and that is where the revenue comes from.
Quantity over quality wins at the moment.
yes, I agree. The reality of sustainably funding a supercar collection is the car guys TV - middle aged men who graft for 20 years, slightly overweight, balding and with poor dress sense and not especially ‘cool or baller.’Quantity over quality wins at the moment.
I’m firmly in that camp which is why I don’t have an Instagram or drive round shouting ‘chaos’ at strangers out of a pink wrapped car.
AJB1971 said:
I don't think YouTubers should use their channels to advertise the sale of their own or connected parties cars.
These two conversations illustrate why. One took place before the car was put up for sale and the other took place shortly after it was sold -
https://youtu.be/B5DjLqn54uQ?t=791
https://youtu.be/pimTmLK7gls?t=40
Interesting and very detailed links there!These two conversations illustrate why. One took place before the car was put up for sale and the other took place shortly after it was sold -
https://youtu.be/B5DjLqn54uQ?t=791
https://youtu.be/pimTmLK7gls?t=40
However, to consider, if you went to a garage with a car and needed a trade offer, of course it would be the least desirable spec and worth nothing. Yet if it was on the dealer forecourt it would obviously be rare and highly desirable and command top dollar. This definitely doesn't just relate to cars, but business of any type whether it's professional or private.
will_ said:
What I find tragic / hilarious / creepy are some of the old men hanging around with these young lads, presumably trying to maintain some semblance of being "on trend". It's akin to sad old divorced dads heading to the local nightclub and thinking they don't look out of place.
Both Tony and Dean are in their 30s if that's what you're getting at, same kind of age as me.I think the ‘creepy old dudes’ show the reality of social media fakery.
Most social media ‘stars’ haven’t got a pot to piss in and spend what money they have pissing it away on trainers, watches. Branded clothes and travel. they’re entirely reliant on the dull old men who worked hard for a couple of decades to (sustainably) fund a supercar collection and lifestyle. People who are good at making money on the whole aren’t the sort of socially obsessed raging narcissists who want their whole life to be a fun-filled party that attracts a crowd on social media, therefore look entirely out of place, just as some nobber yelling ‘chaos’ ‘Mate’ and shrieking like a retard doesn’t fit in with the real HNW set aboard a superyacht in Antibes.
As Shmee points out, anyone over 30 is now considered a ‘creepy old dude’ or ‘uncool’ by the primarily teenage audience, which is deeply ironic since that’s exactly who’ll they’ll end up if they want to fund the lifestyle without resorting to finance and borrowing other people’s things.
Shmee has met plenty of proper collectors in his time, I’m sure he’d confirm most of them are likely in the same age/demographic and very few would fit the typical ‘look at me’ lifestyle vloggers.
Most social media ‘stars’ haven’t got a pot to piss in and spend what money they have pissing it away on trainers, watches. Branded clothes and travel. they’re entirely reliant on the dull old men who worked hard for a couple of decades to (sustainably) fund a supercar collection and lifestyle. People who are good at making money on the whole aren’t the sort of socially obsessed raging narcissists who want their whole life to be a fun-filled party that attracts a crowd on social media, therefore look entirely out of place, just as some nobber yelling ‘chaos’ ‘Mate’ and shrieking like a retard doesn’t fit in with the real HNW set aboard a superyacht in Antibes.
As Shmee points out, anyone over 30 is now considered a ‘creepy old dude’ or ‘uncool’ by the primarily teenage audience, which is deeply ironic since that’s exactly who’ll they’ll end up if they want to fund the lifestyle without resorting to finance and borrowing other people’s things.
Shmee has met plenty of proper collectors in his time, I’m sure he’d confirm most of them are likely in the same age/demographic and very few would fit the typical ‘look at me’ lifestyle vloggers.
S9JTO said:
No way is Tony in his 30's, early-mid 40's easy...
March 1981!https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0732759...
That's surprised me too - I think the "salt n pepper" beard ages him greatly.
TheAngryDog said:
Our good friend flinty pops up in the comments. He came on here some years ago spouting about how he was going to buy an R8. He claims to be a millionaire now thanks to cryptocurrency. I smell the same bullst.
I founded a blockchain tech company, we don’t touch crypto but work in the ERP space but get countless requests from young kids with ‘the next bitcoin’ wanting to use our platform tech because coding is actual work and gets in the way of instagram life.t. the crypto scam works like this:
Download an off the shelf open source blockchain package, generate several million coins with the proof of work set low. Use your snake oil sales tactics on social media to recruit gullible kids as affiliates by showing off your baller lifestyle with rented lambos, condos etc. Pay affiliates with the coins you generated for nothing to create a buzz for your forthcoming ICO. Price the coins at a too good to miss offer of a few pence that draws in a substantial number of your social media crowd with a sub 100 quid ‘punt’. After the ICO use a percentage of the funds to ‘buy’ coins from key affiliates to raise the price, they then gush how they made a 1000 percent return driving the FOMO crowd in - set the proof of work higher to restrict coin supply so you can start offloading your coin stash into the market - brag how based on current prices your coin holdings make you worth X million, which attracts more idiots. As the coin pool increases then the price drops, so tighten up the proof of work further and get other ico scammers to buy coins using similarly worthless coins to create artificial but worthless trade volumes. When the market collapses abandon the project, rinse and repeat.
All the coins are effectively worthless since they are a giant Ponzi scheme with no underlying conversion liquidity backing, mostly run by kids in bedrooms with no regulatory oversight, no proper security and poorly implemented blockchains that won’t scale or are wide open to money printing abuse for the owners due to fiddling the proof of work so they can generate massive coin hoards on demand.
People will be going to prison for securities fraud - blockchain is valuable tech, crypto will wok when it’s backed by investment banks and regulated, but clearly the ability for anyone with a PC to launch their own currency is a recipe for, as TGE would say ‘chaos’.
The reality of being a blockchain millionaire (as opposed to a marketing scammer) is 70 hour weeks writing code to manage international tracking of shipping containers, and taking endless corporate meetings - not being a Instagram baller on a beach in Bali.
nyxster said:
I think the ‘creepy old dudes’ show the reality of social media fakery.
Most social media ‘stars’ haven’t got a pot to piss in and spend what money they have pissing it away on trainers, watches. Branded clothes and travel. they’re entirely reliant on the dull old men who worked hard for a couple of decades to (sustainably) fund a supercar collection and lifestyle. People who are good at making money on the whole aren’t the sort of socially obsessed raging narcissists who want their whole life to be a fun-filled party that attracts a crowd on social media, therefore look entirely out of place, just as some nobber yelling ‘chaos’ ‘Mate’ and shrieking like a retard doesn’t fit in with the real HNW set aboard a superyacht in Antibes.
As Shmee points out, anyone over 30 is now considered a ‘creepy old dude’ or ‘uncool’ by the primarily teenage audience, which is deeply ironic since that’s exactly who’ll they’ll end up if they want to fund the lifestyle without resorting to finance and borrowing other people’s things.
Shmee has met plenty of proper collectors in his time, I’m sure he’d confirm most of them are likely in the same age/demographic and very few would fit the typical ‘look at me’ lifestyle vloggers.
how old's joe achillies then ?Most social media ‘stars’ haven’t got a pot to piss in and spend what money they have pissing it away on trainers, watches. Branded clothes and travel. they’re entirely reliant on the dull old men who worked hard for a couple of decades to (sustainably) fund a supercar collection and lifestyle. People who are good at making money on the whole aren’t the sort of socially obsessed raging narcissists who want their whole life to be a fun-filled party that attracts a crowd on social media, therefore look entirely out of place, just as some nobber yelling ‘chaos’ ‘Mate’ and shrieking like a retard doesn’t fit in with the real HNW set aboard a superyacht in Antibes.
As Shmee points out, anyone over 30 is now considered a ‘creepy old dude’ or ‘uncool’ by the primarily teenage audience, which is deeply ironic since that’s exactly who’ll they’ll end up if they want to fund the lifestyle without resorting to finance and borrowing other people’s things.
Shmee has met plenty of proper collectors in his time, I’m sure he’d confirm most of them are likely in the same age/demographic and very few would fit the typical ‘look at me’ lifestyle vloggers.
he still whacks out some interesting videos and seems a pretty amiable fella .
I think you lot are guessing the audience age, some stats from mine for 2018:
Perhaps it's more that the younger viewers are more willing to attend the IRL events. The culture of being seen in places just to tag on social media being a driver for this perhaps?
I think we've done this before, but maybe the others could share a few. I doubt they would be too dissimilar from the above.
Perhaps it's more that the younger viewers are more willing to attend the IRL events. The culture of being seen in places just to tag on social media being a driver for this perhaps?
I think we've done this before, but maybe the others could share a few. I doubt they would be too dissimilar from the above.
Mine are somewhere in the middle; a shift down from Jon for sure, however interestingly picking out specific videos can often change the results.
Any video in its first day will have a younger viewership as those are the people clicking straight away, but then look at the last 90 days of a 12 month old video and the stats will be skewed towards much higher age groups - sometimes I can find videos where categories like 35-44 will the be largest. Makes sense for a Ferrari review if you consider who are actually the buyers...
Different topic, this seemed quite a well covered article:
https://www.cnet.com/news/inside-the-15-million-yo...
"If you're not working hard, there's someone that will be more than happy to work harder than you. If you start slacking off, there's someone out there who's hungry for that growth, who'll very happily take your place."
Any video in its first day will have a younger viewership as those are the people clicking straight away, but then look at the last 90 days of a 12 month old video and the stats will be skewed towards much higher age groups - sometimes I can find videos where categories like 35-44 will the be largest. Makes sense for a Ferrari review if you consider who are actually the buyers...
Different topic, this seemed quite a well covered article:
https://www.cnet.com/news/inside-the-15-million-yo...
"If you're not working hard, there's someone that will be more than happy to work harder than you. If you start slacking off, there's someone out there who's hungry for that growth, who'll very happily take your place."
Shmee said:
"If you're not working hard, there's someone that will be more than happy to work harder than you. If you start slacking off, there's someone out there who's hungry for that growth, who'll very happily take your place."
I think gamers have it harder than automotive vloggers, especially twitch streamers. I met one over the weekend who was telling me she'd barely travelled in most of her 20s due to the expectation of daily streaming on twitch, and then there's stories like thishttps://kotaku.com/ninja-takes-two-day-break-loses...
I know it's the extreme end of the scale, but taking 2 days off streaming to do a CHARITY gaming event cost him ~$100k in dropped subs.
jon- said:
I think gamers have it harder than automotive vloggers, especially twitch streamers. I met one over the weekend who was telling me she'd barely travelled in most of her 20s due to the expectation of daily streaming on twitch, and then there's stories like this
https://kotaku.com/ninja-takes-two-day-break-loses...
I know it's the extreme end of the scale, but taking 2 days off streaming to do a CHARITY gaming event cost him ~$100k in dropped subs.
Its no different though to a self-employed person with a start-up company/doing well/1 man band etc. as theres plenty out there concentrating on their professions and not taking time off.https://kotaku.com/ninja-takes-two-day-break-loses...
I know it's the extreme end of the scale, but taking 2 days off streaming to do a CHARITY gaming event cost him ~$100k in dropped subs.
Has anyone done a Vice type documentary (like we had of the young 'fixer' with his lambo), that goes deeper into the lives of a youtube 'celeb'?
I wouldn’t have a clue where to start in producing either gaming videos OR automotive tbh
I don’t know which you tubers are legit or just borrowing cars? Clearly Shmee has bought his Sam and his 360 and pail with his murci??
Likewise gaming whilst I enjoy it I can’t say I’d watch others play games on YouTube
I don’t know which you tubers are legit or just borrowing cars? Clearly Shmee has bought his Sam and his 360 and pail with his murci??
Likewise gaming whilst I enjoy it I can’t say I’d watch others play games on YouTube
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