Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)
Discussion
JaredVannett said:
The owner is that odd guy who turned up at Jay Kay's house and wondered why he didn't want to come and play out.
...skip to 14:00...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQ4wzgk1HM
TheAngryDog said:
JaredVannett said:
The owner is that odd guy who turned up at Jay Kay's house and wondered why he didn't want to come and play out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQ4wzgk1HM
playalistic said:
TheAngryDog said:
JaredVannett said:
The owner is that odd guy who turned up at Jay Kay's house and wondered why he didn't want to come and play out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQ4wzgk1HM
slowcars1 said:
I wouldn't say it was acceptable, I also wouldn't say it was unacceptable either. It was somewhere in between. It seems he was only really accelerating where he had good visibility and driving much slower where visibility was harder. If there were such a definition as speeding WITH due care and attention this would be it.
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.Meridius said:
slowcars1 said:
I wouldn't say it was acceptable, I also wouldn't say it was unacceptable either. It was somewhere in between. It seems he was only really accelerating where he had good visibility and driving much slower where visibility was harder. If there were such a definition as speeding WITH due care and attention this would be it.
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.slowcars1 said:
p1stonhead said:
Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?
These guys are f
king idiots.
https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
Man like Rick. Man like Tom. Well sick.These guys are f
king idiots. https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
I am dumbfounded that Joe has been fined and given points and yet Ricky (LLF) still has a license quite honestly.
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etcTight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etcTight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
kiethton said:
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etc
Tight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
Thing is, Joe may be able to safely drive a car at speed on the public road. Plenty of other people can't. Saying it's OK for Joe would be saying it's OK for the idiots who can't drive safely at speed. Tight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
janesmith1950 said:
slowcars1 said:
You clearly didn't watch the video because if you had you would have seen Joe was entering each bend at speeds even your grandmother would be comfortable with. He was only accelerating out of corners and then letting the car engine brake up to the next corner.
It doesn't matter. We're all bound by the same laws. If the silly sod wants to publish a video of himself on the internet breaking the law in order to make a profit from it, he (or we) ought not to complain if he gets busted.No, it wasn't crime of the century, no kittens were harmed, but it is a road where the Police focus enforcement due to a poor accident rate and publishing the video was a daft thing to do.
No doubt Steve Callaghan will be dusting off his Dirty Harry blazer and asking other YouTubers; "This is the most powerful Google Maps Pro in the world. It could blow your driving licence clean off. In all the excitement I forgot how many right clicks I did, was it 5 or was it 6? Do you feel lucky, punk?"
By the way janesmith1950, you are much funnier away from the football threads....
p1stonhead said:
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etcTight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
I'm not Joe, just a bloke that lieks to head out into the countryside and drive (safely but with regard for speed appropriate with the conditions, not a random, reduced number on a stick) that's hugely frustrated at the direction this is going and the faux social/media outrage this story is generating (including on here) and the future direction of travel.
p1stonhead said:
playalistic said:
TheAngryDog said:
JaredVannett said:
The owner is that odd guy who turned up at Jay Kay's house and wondered why he didn't want to come and play out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQ4wzgk1HM
kiethton said:
p1stonhead said:
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etcTight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
I'm not Joe, just a bloke that lieks to head out into the countryside and drive (safely but with regard for speed appropriate with the conditions, not a random, reduced number on a stick) that's hugely frustrated at the direction this is going and the faux social/media outrage this story is generating (including on here) and the future direction of travel.
I have a fairly high threshold for car speed f
kwittery compared to most of the public, but that just seemed mental, Ricky is used to trolling round folk with modified cars and getting on it, he was absolutely papping himself and wanting it to stop.Its funny how racing drivers are regarded as better drivers, but I wonder what the insurance risk as a job, if you put that down as your occupation is compared to an office worker ? over the years they do seem to, as a breed find lots of opportunities for managing to kill themselves. Will obviously have better car control than the average driver, better reactions (possibly) but does the title cause them to write more cheques their skill can actually cash.
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etcTight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
If that was filmed on the roads around Hope or Edale, only a few miles in the other direction - it would have made for much more cinematic viewing, and less likely to have caused this outcome. Hindsight is always 20:20 though....
It's rare to cross the pass and not see either a camera van or another vehicle having a close call, it's closed fairly regularly for accident clean-ups and it is no suprise that the police have used Joe as an example.
slowcars1 said:
J4CKO said:
kiethton said:
p1stonhead said:
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etcTight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?
Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)
Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
I'm not Joe, just a bloke that lieks to head out into the countryside and drive (safely but with regard for speed appropriate with the conditions, not a random, reduced number on a stick) that's hugely frustrated at the direction this is going and the faux social/media outrage this story is generating (including on here) and the future direction of travel.
I have a fairly high threshold for car speed f
kwittery compared to most of the public, but that just seemed mental, Ricky is used to trolling round folk with modified cars and getting on it, he was absolutely papping himself and wanting it to stop.Its funny how racing drivers are regarded as better drivers, but I wonder what the insurance risk as a job, if you put that down as your occupation is compared to an office worker ? over the years they do seem to, as a breed find lots of opportunities for managing to kill themselves. Will obviously have better car control than the average driver, better reactions (possibly) but does the title cause them to write more cheques their skill can actually cash.
We all like those moments where we can press on, but I'd hope most of us are sensible to read the road conditions and act accordingly. Defending Joe because "he's a nice bloke" doesn't wash; he's as much a danger on the road as anyone else, experienced or otherwise; life doesn't discriminate. It seems youtubers push the limits of acceptability for the sake of some adsense; it is only a matter of time before something serious happens.
Where I live, there is a remote straight piece of road often used as a drag strip (MrJWW for one uses it!). You'd be amazed at how many cars and bikes speed up it at 150mph+ in wet/damn conditions. It also has a badger crossing! It would only take a moment of timing to cause road fatalities; I'd feel sorry for the badger!
Be sensible when pushing on, assess the road conditions, temps, vehicles around you, exit and entry points etc; make sure you get home to your families safe.
Where I live, there is a remote straight piece of road often used as a drag strip (MrJWW for one uses it!). You'd be amazed at how many cars and bikes speed up it at 150mph+ in wet/damn conditions. It also has a badger crossing! It would only take a moment of timing to cause road fatalities; I'd feel sorry for the badger!
Be sensible when pushing on, assess the road conditions, temps, vehicles around you, exit and entry points etc; make sure you get home to your families safe.
p1stonhead said:
Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?
These guys are fking idiots.
https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
That guy driving (Tom) is a former Porsche GB Carrera Cup driver. While he might have the talent you'd think he'd have the brain not to drive like that on the public road.These guys are f
king idiots. https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
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