RE: Porsche 911 Speedster spied

[Cold]

Another day another 911. Same as all the other 911s but different.

[Dale487]

Vocht said:

Porsche sure know how to get the most out of a model don't they! Their 991 911's so far! (I think that's all of them?)

• 911 Carrera
• 911 Carrera S
• 911 Carrera Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4
• 911 Carrera 4S
• 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera T
• 911 Targa 4
• 911 Targa 4S
• 911 Turbo
• 911 Turbo S
• 911 Turbo Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Exclusive Series
• 911 Carrera GTS
• 911 Carrera GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Targa 4 GTS
• 911 GT3
• 911 GT3 Touring
• 911 GT3 RS
• 911 GT2 RS
• 911 R
• 911 Speedster (incoming)

Not meaning to split hairs but if we're talking 991.2 there's no R (yet) & I've read stronger rumours of a 991.2 Sports Classic than an R, but you have everything else right.

Edited by Dale487 on Thursday 12th April 16:30

[Davey S2]

f1ten said:

agreed like even things like the clio v6. fun and totally unnecessary but done because they could rather than trying to flog metal. The Carrera T by the way is a sham- Im a Porsche nut but I cant abide it. 20kg lighter, non motorsport engine, long gearing... yet people are trying to flip for 10k profit

I like the T but agree the marketing guff about it has been blown out of all proportion. Its just a bit lighter, bit louder and a bit sportier. That makes it a lovely car but its not enough to warrant the silly prices being asked.

[RJ59 Racing]

Vocht said:

Porsche sure know how to get the most out of a model don't they! Their 991 911's so far! (I think that's all of them?)

• 911 Carrera
• 911 Carrera S
• 911 Carrera Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4
• 911 Carrera 4S
• 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera T
• 911 Targa 4
• 911 Targa 4S
• 911 Turbo
• 911 Turbo S
• 911 Turbo Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Exclusive Series
• 911 Carrera GTS
• 911 Carrera GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Targa 4 GTS
• 911 GT3
• 911 GT3 Touring
• 911 GT3 RS
• 911 GT2 RS
• 911 R
• 911 Speedster (incoming)

Think you missed the odd targa as well

[Dale487]

RJ59 Racing said:

Vocht said:

Porsche sure know how to get the most out of a model don't they! Their 991 911's so far! (I think that's all of them?)

• 911 Carrera
• 911 Carrera S
• 911 Carrera Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4
• 911 Carrera 4S
• 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera T
• 911 Targa 4
• 911 Targa 4S
• 911 Turbo
• 911 Turbo S
• 911 Turbo Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Exclusive Series
• 911 Carrera GTS
• 911 Carrera GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Targa 4 GTS
• 911 GT3
• 911 GT3 Touring
• 911 GT3 RS
• 911 GT2 RS
• 911 R
• 911 Speedster (incoming)

Think you missed the odd targa as well

I believe the Targas are all in order - as they're only 4 wheel drive; Targa 4, Targa 4S & Targa 4GTS

[Dale487]

Davey S2 said:

f1ten said:

agreed like even things like the clio v6. fun and totally unnecessary but done because they could rather than trying to flog metal. The Carrera T by the way is a sham- Im a Porsche nut but I cant abide it. 20kg lighter, non motorsport engine, long gearing... yet people are trying to flip for 10k profit

I like the T but agree the marketing guff about it has been blown out of all proportion. Its just a bit lighter, bit louder and a bit sportier. That makes it a lovely car but its not enough to warrant the silly prices being asked.

The Carrera T doesn't make sense with a £10k premium but I think it'll be a great second hand buy in a few years time (assuming it depreciates like a Carrera or Carrera S), particularly if it has the PCM & air con intact. Its as close to a Club Sport as I think we'll get on a 991.2 and both the 911 & 968 were under valued for years. People seem to be expecting a lower powered GT3, which it never was going to be.

[f1ten]

fine but I like my 100k car with leather please unless its alcantara...
have you seen the boggo seats in the T...

[Dale487]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I agree Porsche could have done more with the T and it isn't to the Carrera what the GTS is to the S (more than the parts bin special it in simple terms is). The Club Sports were under appreciated by the market for quite some time - I think the T will drop in value and say in 5 or 10 years time the market will realise that they are better value than a Carrera. I wasn't saying the T is in the same spirit as the CS, I was saying it was as close as Porsche will give us in a 991.2 - a cheaper, more basic Carrera would be great but maybe to close to a 718GTS.

[rob.kellock]

This is mine as it arrived at the dealership off the transporter.

I have driven Porsches with leather for 14 years and fancied a change. I love the seats.

The people who have bought the T seem to like it very much - I bought it for what it is, not what some journalists and perhaps posters on here wanted it to be. It is not a 911 CS. It is not a GT3. Its not a stripped out track car.

As a road car, it is a very attractive package to me personally. For less than the price of a 3 year old GTS, Porsche have built me a new car to my personal specification and it comes with a great package of options to start with. Nice wheels, sports exhaust, limited slip diff, better gearchange, more noise, lowered sports suspension, it is an engaging and appealing driver's car that, whilst quick, can be enjoyed within reason on the road.

People mocked the 987 Spyder when it came out. Porsche know how to build a car that is better than the sum of its parts and I loved my Spyder which I owned for 4 years. Early indications are that the T is a real winner as it hits a real sweet spot.

[Dale487]

f1ten said:

fine but I like my 100k car with leather please unless its alcantara...
have you seen the boggo seats in the T...

Aren't they a special T only Sports Tech seat? And Sport Tech seats are a £2K+ option, but I understand they're not to everyone's taste.

[ZX10R NIN]

Porsche know how to make the most of a model.

[f1ten]

I don't know the answer to that except they are not 18 way electrics for obvious reasons.
Not aware they are sport seats.

Rob sorry for insulting the basic seats just from pics don't think they are retro enough to look visually impressive. They look golf gti to me. Out of interest did you drive a Carrera S or GTS before ordering?

anyway back on topic. I wonder how many Speedsters will be made?

[rob.kellock]

Thanks but not an issue - they are not the basic seats though, they came with the "T interior pack" - not that I fell for the marketing! I do genuinely like them.

I have driven a few 991.2s - S, 4S, GTS and turbo S. They all seem to suit PDK and make going very fast very easy. All great cars though.

I quite like the idea of having a manual gearbox again in a car intended to be used for pleasure more than work - the reduced soundproofing has gravel banging on the underside of the car like an RS - to my childish amusement and the irritation of my wife!

[Gameface]

Does the T not have its own thread?

[rob.kellock]

Cheers cmoose, I understand.

True story.

I once had lunch with Dr Wolfgang Porsche at Brands Hatch. I asked him, out of all his personal collection, which car would he choose to drive just for the fun of it on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

His answer - the 997 Speedster.

[dvshannow]

In what way do pccbs imply gt3 thats just bs makes me wonder about the entire article

[Speedgirl]

Dale487 said:

Vocht said:

Porsche sure know how to get the most out of a model don't they! Their 991 911's so far! (I think that's all of them?)

• 911 Carrera
• 911 Carrera S
• 911 Carrera Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4
• 911 Carrera 4S
• 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera T
• 911 Targa 4
• 911 Targa 4S
• 911 Turbo
• 911 Turbo S
• 911 Turbo Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Cabriolet
• 911 Turbo S Exclusive Series
• 911 Carrera GTS
• 911 Carrera GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS
• 911 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
• 911 Targa 4 GTS
• 911 GT3
• 911 GT3 Touring
• 911 GT3 RS
• 911 GT2 RS
• 911 R
• 911 Speedster (incoming)

Not meaning to split hairs but if we're talking 991.2 there's no R (yet) & I've read stronger rumours of a 991.2 Sports Classic than an R, but you have everything else right.

Edited by Dale487 on Thursday 12th April 16:30

Er haven't you forgotten the 50th Anniversary, and when they write the book I'm sure the 1,000,000th will be there as an edition of 1. PCNA had a nice special anniversary edition and I think the European Porsche Club did too, and then there were those Martini jobs and the British Racing Legends ones. And maybe a Black edition or two. It's going to be a long book.

[Dale487]

rob.kellock said:

This is mine as it arrived at the dealership off the transporter.

I have driven Porsches with leather for 14 years and fancied a change. I love the seats.

The people who have bought the T seem to like it very much - I bought it for what it is, not what some journalists and perhaps posters on here wanted it to be. It is not a 911 CS. It is not a GT3. Its not a stripped out track car.

As a road car, it is a very attractive package to me personally. For less than the price of a 3 year old GTS, Porsche have built me a new car to my personal specification and it comes with a great package of options to start with. Nice wheels, sports exhaust, limited slip diff, better gearchange, more noise, lowered sports suspension, it is an engaging and appealing driver's car that, whilst quick, can be enjoyed within reason on the road.

People mocked the 987 Spyder when it came out. Porsche know how to build a car that is better than the sum of its parts and I loved my Spyder which I owned for 4 years. Early indications are that the T is a real winner as it hits a real sweet spot.

Looks great

[rtz62]

I’m feeling quite the misanthrope towards OPC dealer principals, and by association, PH.
Why bang on about the latest Porsche when it is obvious to all and sundry that unless you are an amateur proctologist to the DP you, and I, will never, ever be ‘allowed’ to purchase one?
Surprised there’s no link to 4StarClassics or KGF which seem to be another love-in with PH these days.
Unobtanium was mentioned by a previous poster, and I’d suggest that unless you exhale myrrh and pooh gold-leaf, unobtanium describes the whole car.
No doubt sold out way before it was officially announced to ‘collectors’ who are so far up said DPs chuff they can tickle his tonsils.
And as an aside, I prefer the proper, red Roadster pictured earlier on in the replies, it shows an owner with class. And who isn’t offering his 38-22-26 Russian wife as a sweetener for the deal either...
Sits back and waits for barbed comments...😜

[av185]

Davey S2 said:

f1ten said:

agreed like even things like the clio v6. fun and totally unnecessary but done because they could rather than trying to flog metal. The Carrera T by the way is a sham- Im a Porsche nut but I cant abide it. 20kg lighter, non motorsport engine, long gearing... yet people are trying to flip for 10k profit

I like the T but agree the marketing guff about it has been blown out of all proportion. Its just a bit lighter, bit louder and a bit sportier. That makes it a lovely car but its not enough to warrant the silly prices being asked.

Usual 'guff' spouted by non owners quel surprise.

Try driving one then report back.

Great package.