RE: Shed of the Week: Range Rover
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te when new?sandman77 said:
Nigel_O said:
Why am I an idiot? Did I get stuck? Did I need to call out the emergency services? Did I cause any problems for anyone else? Do you have ANY idea how prepared I was just in case I did get stuck? Have you ANY idea how good modern winter tyres are in snow? Is it actually any of your business what I do with my spare time, regardless of the weather?
Google "Thumperian principle"....
And it was 450 miles and definitely worth it
Yes you are an idiot and if you need to ask why then you are an even bigger idiot. Google "Thumperian principle"....
And it was 450 miles and definitely worth it
Muppets who can't drive, full bore revs to negotiate slopes, summer tyres with little tread, driving 1-metre behind you up steep snow covered roads, tailgating, no spare clothes, often not even a coat as the heater works etc etc, they're the idiots. And there are millions of them on our roads nowadays.
As soon as a snowflake is seen schools shut, motorists are warned to stay indoors; having been driven, and driven, in places like Norway, Sweden etc in winter in properly equipped cars (not necessarily 4 x4s, especially not those on low-profile summer tyres) with winter tyres and studs or chains as appropriate, then the country can carry on.
I suspect you're the idiot, Mr Sandman.
cylinderfin said:
Jesus, it's like British Leyland all over again.
Actually it IS British Leyland all over again.
Terrible vehicle in almost every way, the colour suits it.
Do you mean that particular vehicle is terrible (agree), or all P38s (disagree)? Actually it IS British Leyland all over again.
Terrible vehicle in almost every way, the colour suits it.
In my experience some of them were very good, particularly after c1999, when they were new / newish and properly maintained. Some earlier ones were absolutely terrible for reliability. Others were just 'poor'. The problem now is that the newest is 15+years old and much depends on how it's been looked after over that period.
akirk said:
Nigel_O said:
A true story in defence of the P38
On March 2nd this year, my son and I travelled from the Midlands to Tenby to get some photos of the snow. We had to drive through the "red warning" area in South Wales. We were on winter tyres, so we didn't have any issues. On the way home, things got rather more "challenging - even on the M4, M50, M5, we didn't see tarmac for well over 120 miles.
Just as we were about the join the M5 from the M50, we saw a 4x4 travelling very slowly in the opposite direction with its hazards on, with an articulated truck right behind it. My son and I instantly assumed it was a modern 4x4 on cheap summer tyres which had bitten off more than it could chew. As we got closer, we could see it was a P38 Rangie and it was towing the articulated truck up the gentle hill away from the M5
Epic
On March 2nd this year, my son and I travelled from the Midlands to Tenby to get some photos of the snow. We had to drive through the "red warning" area in South Wales. We were on winter tyres, so we didn't have any issues. On the way home, things got rather more "challenging - even on the M4, M50, M5, we didn't see tarmac for well over 120 miles.
Just as we were about the join the M5 from the M50, we saw a 4x4 travelling very slowly in the opposite direction with its hazards on, with an articulated truck right behind it. My son and I instantly assumed it was a modern 4x4 on cheap summer tyres which had bitten off more than it could chew. As we got closer, we could see it was a P38 Rangie and it was towing the articulated truck up the gentle hill away from the M5
Epic
They are fantastic in off-road conditions - this was mine half way back down from a grouse moor in winter - on road tyres, and having just been through a couple of foot of snow... it had no issues towing and was used in snow to clear roads / villages / etc. of lorries, cars and vans... Dreadfully slow as standard (Diesel) and much better after a visit to JE Engineering - and lots of modifications to the engine
J4CKO said:
Does "great off road" mean fields and stuff,or in the garage with regards to these, sort of got a bit confused reading this thread ?
I think there seems to be a trend to comments 
those who have not owned one assume that they are dreadful...
those who have owned one tend to think they are great, with possibly a few exceptions...
I certainly had far fewer issues than friends have had with modern Discoveries / Sports and RRs
akirk said:
I think there seems to be a trend to comments
those who have not owned one assume that they are dreadful...
those who have owned one tend to think they are great, with possibly a few exceptions...
I certainly had far fewer issues than friends have had with modern Discoveries / Sports and RRs
It's both. A mate had one 10 years ago and the running costs over the time he owned it were slightly more than a mates TVR tuscan which seemed to be mainly in the garage for repairs. He still wants another one though.those who have not owned one assume that they are dreadful...
those who have owned one tend to think they are great, with possibly a few exceptions...
I certainly had far fewer issues than friends have had with modern Discoveries / Sports and RRs
akirk said:
J4CKO said:
Does "great off road" mean fields and stuff,or in the garage with regards to these, sort of got a bit confused reading this thread ?
I think there seems to be a trend to comments those who have not owned one assume that they are dreadful...
those who have owned one tend to think they are great, with possibly a few exceptions...
I certainly had far fewer issues than friends have had with modern Discoveries / Sports and RRs
Reliability was the REAL issue I had and at the time I know 3 close friends who had them; also as bad (even allowing for them being an early 90's design!)
I came out of an S-Class and the value of these cars when new was not a million miles away from each other. The quality of the fit and finish was the tell-tale issue. The RR was awful in comparison.
That said, looks wise I loved it and I still do; more than the previous and later generations and it was pretty good off road as well from memory (again, for the time).
7795 said:
The fit and finish were pretty poor, even allowing for the design was early 90's.
Reliability was the REAL issue I had and at the time I know 3 close friends who had them; also as bad (even allowing for them being an early 90's design!)
I came out of an S-Class and the value of these cars when new was not a million miles away from each other. The quality of the fit and finish was the tell-tale issue. The RR was awful in comparison.
This is very true. The interior quality of mine was not a patch on my current Range Rover, which in turn is nothing like as good as the S-class I had between the two. The P38's trim was pretty shonky by any standard, to be honest - I wouldn't tolerate that many squeaks, rattles and misaligned trim panels from a new Kia, much less a new Range Rover.... it was a car from a different generation, in terms of quality control.Reliability was the REAL issue I had and at the time I know 3 close friends who had them; also as bad (even allowing for them being an early 90's design!)
I came out of an S-Class and the value of these cars when new was not a million miles away from each other. The quality of the fit and finish was the tell-tale issue. The RR was awful in comparison.
You could tell that the P38 had a live axle at the front, too - from a slightly odd feel to the steering - but it was none the worse for that.
The P38 was much more comfortable and relaxing to drive than the later cars, though: Landrover tautened up the suspension with the L322, to make it drive more like a car (the P38 is a wallowy old thing), but worsened the ride quality in the process.The P38 was about the most comfortable car I've ever driven (including later RR, S-class and Bentley Arnage), provided you didn't try to hustle it, but I could never quite get over the expectation of the next electrical glitch or bit of trim falling off.
That is awful! I own a P38 Vogue myself and with such horrific colours I could not bear. I got lucky with mine, the only issues being in nearly 16 years of ownership; air suspension, headliner, battery failures , coolant leak, oil leak, washer leak, electric windows.... not too bad for 16 yrs and P38 standards
Had mine 8 years, it's a 97 2.5 diesel and I've done 50k miles in it, currently nearly on 200k. It was my daily runabout for a while doing over 1k miles a month with no real issues. It's now semi retired just doing dump runs and light off roading.
Yes there's an expensive list of items I've replaced, but mostly all wear and tear things and there is still a list of things that don't work but all trivial things, sun roof, heated seats, a.c.
Don't think it's ever properly let me down and never had to call the RAC out to it. Remember it's a 20 year old car, and certainly looks and drives better than similar vehicles from the era. Frontera, trooper, shogun, think i would rather walk....
P.s. viscous coupling comes out the front of transfer box once front prop removed, no need to remove transfer box. I learnt this the hard way towing a 7.5ton truck with seized brakes....
Yes there's an expensive list of items I've replaced, but mostly all wear and tear things and there is still a list of things that don't work but all trivial things, sun roof, heated seats, a.c.
Don't think it's ever properly let me down and never had to call the RAC out to it. Remember it's a 20 year old car, and certainly looks and drives better than similar vehicles from the era. Frontera, trooper, shogun, think i would rather walk....
P.s. viscous coupling comes out the front of transfer box once front prop removed, no need to remove transfer box. I learnt this the hard way towing a 7.5ton truck with seized brakes....
Bit of grass, some gravel and a couple of static caravans in the background and you assume it must be a gypo camp! Of course, I mean what else could it possibly be but a filthy stinking wretched gypo camp?
None of you guys ever been to any sort of business that's a bit off the beaten track, where they've used caravans for business purposes? Like rally driving experiences or outdoor pursuits etc? No, I don't suppose you have. Too gypo for your liking.
None of you guys ever been to any sort of business that's a bit off the beaten track, where they've used caravans for business purposes? Like rally driving experiences or outdoor pursuits etc? No, I don't suppose you have. Too gypo for your liking.
boz1 said:
marshall100 said:
No, looks like it was rejected from the set of Layer Cake in favour of something even more lurid.
Perfect description.Also, echo the skepticism regarding the assumption that the pea shingle was actually purchased...
Whoever buys it must keep their iron under lock and key...
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