RE: Shed of the Week: Range Rover
Discussion
akashzimzimma said:
Probably the worst car LR ever made. Terrible interior design, cramped back seat due to short wheelbase ( compared to overall length), asthmatic BMW derived diesel engines, asthmatic bit thirsty Buick petrol engines, and to top if off looks like a Metro Cab!
As a shes it will be too costly to run and as an investment - it won't be one
Better off with a tidy RR Classic or a newer L322.
I don't think I have had anyone ever bemoan the size of the interior, although the boot could be bigger, imho.As a shes it will be too costly to run and as an investment - it won't be one
Better off with a tidy RR Classic or a newer L322.
Also, the wheelbase is about 108" and the overall length is shorter than a 110. So it isn't exactly a dainty thing.
But I use mine as a daily driver, so maybe I am biased.
akirk said:
Dreadfully slow as standard (Diesel) and much better after a visit to JE Engineering - and lots of modifications to the engine 
Silly question, but what mods did they do, how'd it improve performance, and what work, if any, did they do to beef up the HP22? It have HP24 internals or fit the HP24 complete? I'd like to turn up the wick on mine, but she is a high mile and surprisingly reliable example, I'd hate to compromise that.akashzimzimma said:
cramped back seat due to short wheelbase ( compared to overall length)
Have you ever been in one? The back seats have plenty of room. The boot is immense! It’s bar far the most practical car for the money you can buy imho. My Audi A6 Estate was smaller in the back and yet the car actually longer!
TheBix said:
akirk said:
Dreadfully slow as standard (Diesel) and much better after a visit to JE Engineering - and lots of modifications to the engine
Silly question, but what mods did they do, how'd it improve performance, and what work, if any, did they do to beef up the HP22? It have HP24 internals or fit the HP24 complete? I'd like to turn up the wick on mine, but she is a high mile and surprisingly reliable example, I'd hate to compromise that.Nigel_O said:
A true story in defence of the P38
On March 2nd this year, my son and I travelled from the Midlands to Tenby to get some photos of the snow. We had to drive through the "red warning" area in South Wales. We were on winter tyres, so we didn't have any issues. On the way home, things got rather more "challenging - even on the M4, M50, M5, we didn't see tarmac for well over 120 miles.
Just as we were about the join the M5 from the M50, we saw a 4x4 travelling very slowly in the opposite direction with its hazards on, with an articulated truck right behind it. My son and I instantly assumed it was a modern 4x4 on cheap summer tyres which had bitten off more than it could chew. As we got closer, we could see it was a P38 Rangie and it was towing the articulated truck up the gentle hill away from the M5
Epic
Not on a hill and not an artic but mine did an admirable job recovering a stuck truck in the snow too.On March 2nd this year, my son and I travelled from the Midlands to Tenby to get some photos of the snow. We had to drive through the "red warning" area in South Wales. We were on winter tyres, so we didn't have any issues. On the way home, things got rather more "challenging - even on the M4, M50, M5, we didn't see tarmac for well over 120 miles.
Just as we were about the join the M5 from the M50, we saw a 4x4 travelling very slowly in the opposite direction with its hazards on, with an articulated truck right behind it. My son and I instantly assumed it was a modern 4x4 on cheap summer tyres which had bitten off more than it could chew. As we got closer, we could see it was a P38 Rangie and it was towing the articulated truck up the gentle hill away from the M5
Epic
I love these cars, they're fantastic and not nearly as unreliable as people would have you believe. Some are over 20 years old and even the youngest aren't far behind. Mine's 17 years old and doing fine, on road and off road.
Things wear out on old cars and need replacing - doesn't matter what the car is! the bits that fail in the suspension are rubber bits that wear out (bags, seals in the pump and valveblock etc). Air bags are about £50 each and you don't need any special tools to replace them. The pump can be rebuilt for about £15 and the valveblock for about £40.
My 4.6 V8 has just ticked over 118K miles and all the liners are still where they're supposed to be and it does 21mpg on a run, averages around 17mpg.
At 17 years old mine has no rust at all, besides unavoidable and harmless stuff on the surface of exposed metal. In contrast, my 2003 Focus ST170 needed both sills welding at about 10 years old and then they needed doing again 2-3 years later!
This could be an epic reawakening, every journey has the ability to be an adventure, relive your youth of boy scout preparation.
Remind yourself what is was like to be a spotty teenager when these were new, with a condom or two in your rear pocket in the unlikely dream of a chance one night stand. Only in one of these your far more likely to realise the dream of adventure & the tool in your pocket is bound to come out on far more regular basis. An aged boy scouts wet dream if there ever was one.
Remind yourself what is was like to be a spotty teenager when these were new, with a condom or two in your rear pocket in the unlikely dream of a chance one night stand. Only in one of these your far more likely to realise the dream of adventure & the tool in your pocket is bound to come out on far more regular basis. An aged boy scouts wet dream if there ever was one.
Helicopter123 said:
DStanley1809 said:
... it does 21mpg on a run, averages around 17mpg.
My current TDV8 has both much better performance and averages low-to-mid 30's mpg, but unfortunately the diesels used in the P38 were glacially slow.
sleepera6 said:
Helicopter123 said:
DStanley1809 said:
... it does 21mpg on a run, averages around 17mpg.
Costing me a lots less then my old 10 plate A6 3.0 TDI. That only did 34mpg but cost me £350 a month to start. Then when it broke down it usually cost me over £1k each time! It’s gone!!
I came here looking for dry asides and almost unimaginable anecdotes... and was not disappointed! 
All I can say is: Some of you have a lot of cheek taking the p*** about American cars. Sure, there have been some stinkers, but the pricing and value have seldom been so spectacularly unaligned as with JLR.
All I can say is: Some of you have a lot of cheek taking the p*** about American cars. Sure, there have been some stinkers, but the pricing and value have seldom been so spectacularly unaligned as with JLR.
rallycross said:
Helicopter123 said:
DStanley1809 said:
... it does 21mpg on a run, averages around 17mpg.
chasingracecars said:
I have refurbished all the running gear and drive with fuel saving in mind. I.e. don’t floor it in sport all the time. Also depends what types of journey you do.
I just drive mine normally. I overtake if I need to, maintain the speed limit going up hills and don't worry about having to accelerate hard out junctions etc.The lowest short term MPG I've seen is just after resetting the computer when I fill up. The first few minutes show 11-13mpg where I've pulled away and rejoined traffic etc. The lowest full tank average I've seen has been around 15mpg but that involved a lot of stop start traffic.
Don't get me wrong, 21mpg as a best case scenario isn't great but it's not nearly as bad people claiming low teens or even single digits is the norm. If you drive it like a sports car you'll get truly terrible MPG - but it's not a sports car, so why drive it like one?
I agree with most of what has already been said but I will add a quote from another publication which I read some time ago ,but sums up the P38 very well I think........." the seats are very comfortable and the cabin is a nice place to be...which is just as well as this will come in very useful when you are waiting for the recovery truck to arrive". I had one with the 3 ltr BMW diesel engine which was nearly as quick as the continental drift when it came to acceleration ! Although this was compensated by even worse fuel consumption which was similar to a Chieftain tank.....never again, lesson learnt !?
Wouldn't touch a shed money RR of this age with a bargepole. Simply a recipe for terminal dissapointment!
But, the earlier ones...I had three series ones or whatever they call them. But I only had one engine.
So, let me explain. Every time one got too rusty for me to bother to repair I bought another with a F####d engine. Put my excellent engine into it and carried on.
Until the supply of "donors" dried up.
But (and I gather prices are going up now) a series one RR is a magnificent tool!
It will go anywhere, it will still look the business picking someone up from the station and it will just keep going. But, um, just don't ask what it does to the gallon. You DO NOT want to know that.
Oh, and you need to be able to weld.
But, the earlier ones...I had three series ones or whatever they call them. But I only had one engine.
So, let me explain. Every time one got too rusty for me to bother to repair I bought another with a F####d engine. Put my excellent engine into it and carried on.
Until the supply of "donors" dried up.
But (and I gather prices are going up now) a series one RR is a magnificent tool!
It will go anywhere, it will still look the business picking someone up from the station and it will just keep going. But, um, just don't ask what it does to the gallon. You DO NOT want to know that.
Oh, and you need to be able to weld.
AB1canotbee said:
Ihad one with the 3 ltr BMW diesel engine which was nearly as quick as the continental drift when it came to acceleration !
What one was that then the 2.5 diesel. The 4.0l petrol or the 4.6l petrol??I think you are on about the L322 which came with a 3.0l engine different car altogether!
for a long time< I avoided P38s, believing the (untrue) hype about the reliability.
Anyway, last year, I lashed out £205 on a sight-unseen 4.6 which had been languishing in a field for a few years. Once I cleaned it off and threw a set of tyres and brakes at it, it passed its MOT with no advisories and I've been using it ever since.
we're now 25,000 miles up and the only thing its cost me in spares is one sidelamp bulb. Its officially the most reliable car I've had
Anyway, last year, I lashed out £205 on a sight-unseen 4.6 which had been languishing in a field for a few years. Once I cleaned it off and threw a set of tyres and brakes at it, it passed its MOT with no advisories and I've been using it ever since.
we're now 25,000 miles up and the only thing its cost me in spares is one sidelamp bulb. Its officially the most reliable car I've had
2woody said:
for a long time< I avoided P38s, believing the (untrue) hype about the reliability.
Anyway, last year, I lashed out £205 on a sight-unseen 4.6 which had been languishing in a field for a few years. Once I cleaned it off and threw a set of tyres and brakes at it, it passed its MOT with no advisories and I've been using it ever since.
we're now 25,000 miles up and the only thing its cost me in spares is one sidelamp bulb. Its officially the most reliable car I've had
You bought it expecting lashings of trouble ending with the sudden death of the car. However it has failed your expectations so completely unreliable in its own special way...Anyway, last year, I lashed out £205 on a sight-unseen 4.6 which had been languishing in a field for a few years. Once I cleaned it off and threw a set of tyres and brakes at it, it passed its MOT with no advisories and I've been using it ever since.
we're now 25,000 miles up and the only thing its cost me in spares is one sidelamp bulb. Its officially the most reliable car I've had
There is one up the road from us well 3 miles away thank god. Somebody resprayed that one too, in Lady Penelope Pink! But as the registration is B1 TCH, I don't think that Parker is driving it for her. SHED says think of it as a 'Plaything'.... because you'll be playing under it a lot.
2woody said:
for a long time< I avoided P38s, believing the (untrue) hype about the reliability.
Anyway, last year, I lashed out £205 on a sight-unseen 4.6 which had been languishing in a field for a few years. Once I cleaned it off and threw a set of tyres and brakes at it, it passed its MOT with no advisories and I've been using it ever since.
we're now 25,000 miles up and the only thing its cost me in spares is one sidelamp bulb. Its officially the most reliable car I've had
PH Win of the Week!Anyway, last year, I lashed out £205 on a sight-unseen 4.6 which had been languishing in a field for a few years. Once I cleaned it off and threw a set of tyres and brakes at it, it passed its MOT with no advisories and I've been using it ever since.
we're now 25,000 miles up and the only thing its cost me in spares is one sidelamp bulb. Its officially the most reliable car I've had
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