RE: Lotus Carlton: PH Used Buying Guide

RE: Lotus Carlton: PH Used Buying Guide

Thursday 19th April 2018

Lotus Carlton: PH Used Buying Guide

The car they wanted banned is now a genuine classic. Here's what you need to know...



One look at the Vauxhall Lotus Carlton and you know what this car is all about. The bluff front and pumped arches tell you it's a car built to go fast, and that's exactly what it did when launched back in 1989.

In fact, the Lotus Carlton was so quick by the standards of its time that some thought its 176mph top speed was just too much. In today's world of 200mph super saloons, that figure doesn't seem exceptional, but three decades back it was every bit as indecent as streaking at a cricket match.


Like those naked sports fans with only a bobby's helmet for modesty, the Lotus Carlton soon attracted attention from the press. The motoring journalists of the period loved this power-crazed saloon, while the daily inkies jumped up and down as if Beelzebub himself were at the wheel.

That reaction would have been understandable if this Carlton were nothing more than a dragster. However, Lotus was responsible for developing this model, so that meant the suspension, brakes and steering were all more than up to the job in hand. There were bespoke components in all of these systems, which also helped to explain the model's £48,000 price tag that had all but the wealthiest buyers take a gulp before signing the cheque.


What that sum got them was a 3.6-litre twin-turbo six-cylinder engine developing 380hp and 419lb ft of torque. It took the rear-drive Lotus Carlton from a standstill to 62mph in 5.1 seconds and on to that 176mph headline top speed. Just as importantly, in-gear acceleration was staggering and sufficient to humble supercars of the time.

Sadly, the list price, economic climate and limited pool of buyers meant only 950 were made, with 285 intended for the UK - but with a mysterious extra car built in right-hand drive to take the British tally to 286. That makes it a rare beast, and prices have firmed up considerably in the last few years, so you'll now need around £45,000 to own a Vauxhall Lotus Carlton in good condition. Even at that price, though, it's a mad, bad, outrageous to know bargain.

Search for Vauxhall Lotus Carltons here



Bodywork and interior

Extended bodywork sections for the Lotus Carlton are made from fibreglass and can be easily damaged, so look for signs of previous repairs and ripples in the surface. Also check where these panels attach to the steel bodywork for signs of corrosion.

Look for rust along the door bottoms, rear arches, sunroof surrounds, both screens and boot floor. Also check under the rear bumper panel, inner rear wheel arches, inside the back door shuts and around the aerial mount.

Make sure any car you look at has its original plaque on the glovebox with leather pad and 180mph speedo. Original floor mats are also a sign of a fastidious previous owner.


Engine and transmission

Twin turbochargers cause high under-bonnet temperatures, so make sure all of the electrics work properly as the heat can fry wires and connections. Also make sure the cooling system is leak-free and in fine condition.

Few cars on sale now will stray from standard spec, but beware any aftermarket tuning chips as they can lead to problems with head gaskets, pistons, differential and drive shafts. Listen for any whines from the differential that point to an imminent, and large, bill to rebuild it.

The timing chain will make a whining noise long before it's in danger of snapping or jumping a tooth. If you hear anything on inspection, get it sorted immediately.

The viscous fan for the radiator can fail. If you suspect it's on the way out, get it sorted as it can cause a blown head gasket.

Cracks can appear in the stainless steel exhaust, so listen for any puffing or blows.

Gearbox is tough as it was sourced from the contemporary Corvette ZR-1. Just make sure it operates through the gears smoothly and the lever's rubber gaiter isn't damaged. The clutch has quite a hefty action, but if it feels light then it could be that the pressure plate, friction plate or bell housing need to be replaced. The pivot pin can also fail.


Suspension and steering

The front suspension's spring cup washers can rust and the springs can break through corrosion too.

Any knocks from the rear suspension are most likely from worn trailing arm bushes.

Wishbone bushes wear and put the suspension out of geometry. Look for uneven tyre wear as an early warning that new wishbones are needed.

Before starting the engine, turn the key to position 2 and listen for the self-levelling pump beginning to work. It may take up to two minutes for this to activate, but it's crucial to maintaining the handling of the Lotus Carlton.


Wheels, tyres and brakes

Brakes don't wear too quickly for such a quick car because the Carlton isn't heavy by modern standards and most parts are available, even if they are expensive. AP pistons are used at both ends.

Original fit Goodyear Eagle tyres are hard to find now, so many owners use Goodyear Eagle F1s in their place.

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VAUXHALL LOTUS CARLTON

Engine: 3,615cc, straight-six turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 380@5,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 419@4,200rpm
MPG: 22
CO2: na
Price new: £48,000
Price now: £45,000 upwards

Search for Lotus Carltons in the PH classifieds here.

 

 

 

 

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AshD

Original Poster:

218 posts

250 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Rumour is that this car, together with an over enthusiastic journalist, resulted in the chicane being introduced on the back straight at Hethel. Left the circuit and into the turnip field next door. Unsure if it’s just an urban myth, but I wish Lotus would do something like this again, could certainly help Vauxhall out at the minute....maybe they’d be forced to do it to a Volvo now, but that wouldn’t impress Polestar!

lord trumpton

7,408 posts

127 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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I remember being at the iconic 'Well lane turbo centre' in Batley having my cosworth of the time 'chipped' by Barry; the talented tuner.

Feeling pleased as punch after the road test I was stood outside admiring my car when the owner of well lane (Billy Howie) turned up and a lotus carlton.

It looked amazing, sounded amazing and totally dwarfed my car in every respect. I've never seen one since but it was a pleasure to see one out in the wild back in the day.

Edited by lord trumpton on Thursday 19th April 07:17

MGR

195 posts

189 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Of all the cars I have owned this was my favourite so far. It’s absolutely brilliant I used mine a lot and even took it on a few track days where it was surprisingly good.

These are fantastic cars, however I would go in eyes open as most parts are no longer available and replacements for even consumable items can be difficult to source. Given this in contrast to the article I would say there is now no such thing as a standard Lotus Carlton as parts must be sourced or made Ad hoc depending on when the item broke.

Ultimately the lack of parts availability led to the sale of mine as you never knew how long the car would be off the road. For example when the clutch went in mine we had to have a company make one using a spare someone donated as a template.

There is a fantastic owner community the Autobahnstormers without which it would be impossible to run these cars at all. I would suggest joining them before making a purchase.

Edited by MGR on Thursday 19th April 07:52

Dale487

1,334 posts

124 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Shame that at the time of publishing, of the three cars for sale on PH on the link; two are the same car & the other is a Skyline GTR.

NotNormal

2,360 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Dale487 said:
Shame that at the time of publishing, of the three cars for sale on PH on the link; two are the same car & the other is a Skyline GTR.
If you're looking there is one coming up at auction soon
https://online.handh.co.uk/m/lot-details/index/cat...

Cold

15,252 posts

91 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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"A family saloon! Who's the family? Mr and Mrs Fattipaldis?"

Dale487

1,334 posts

124 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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NotNormal said:
Dale487 said:
Shame that at the time of publishing, of the three cars for sale on PH on the link; two are the same car & the other is a Skyline GTR.
If you're looking there is one coming up at auction soon
https://online.handh.co.uk/m/lot-details/index/cat...
Sadly not, the Evo estate is nearer to me budget.

Maybe I'm being cynical but thought these buying guides were to help drive website traffic to certain cars and improve sales of them - not much good when there's only one to buy.

pSyCoSiS

3,601 posts

206 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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This is still one of my all-time favourite / dream cars.

The power figures are acceptable even today, but way back in the early 90s it was utterly bonkers!

It will always be an all-time great and a true PH Hero.

Twoshoe

856 posts

185 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Minor point but why would a light clutch action suggest the bell housing might need replacing? Surely the bell housing is simply a piece of cast metal that encloses the clutch mechanism and connects the engine to the gearbox.

Neil E 99

119 posts

116 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Always wanted one but my first choice was the Esprit.

No chance now given the prices. I found 2 very nice examples but at 100k and 150k is just nuts, ok low milers but its still nuts!

So much of the classic car world has gone this way well out of the reach or the average wage packet.

This one must be a bargain.

Edited by Neil E 99 on Thursday 19th April 11:02

NotNormal

2,360 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Twoshoe said:
Minor point but why would a light clutch action suggest the bell housing might need replacing?
Article is a bit misleading I must admit but LC's have a notoriously heavy clutch action (although there are ways or making the clutch action a little lighter than standard). I personally wouldn't say if its light in action there's is a problem. It's more of a case of its stiff or notchy there may be a problem.

Twoshoe said:
Surely the bell housing is simply a piece of cast metal that encloses the clutch mechanism and connects the engine to the gearbox.
The bellhousing on LC's is actually the mounting point for the clutch fork via a pin that is located i the aluminium casting, meaning its a pull action as opposed to a push action on the pressure plate. The bell housing has gone through a number of revisions to improve its strength over the production period, however they are all prone to cracking/breaking. If the pin itself, or the tangs that engage on the clutch release bearing seize, then it puts excess pressure on the pin and breaks either the pin or the bellhousing itself. There are modifications around that make this area stronger going forward though smile

Twoshoe

856 posts

185 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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NotNormal said:
The bellhousing on LC's is actually the mounting point for the clutch fork via a pin that is located i the aluminium casting, meaning its a pull action as opposed to a push action on the pressure plate. The bell housing has gone through a number of revisions to improve its strength over the production period, however they are all prone to cracking/breaking. If the pin itself, or the tangs that engage on the clutch release bearing seize, then it puts excess pressure on the pin and breaks either the pin or the bellhousing itself. There are modifications around that make this area stronger going forward though smile
Ooh, you learn something every day, thanks!

exgtt

2,067 posts

213 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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So prices are on the up? Bout time, these have lagged behind Sierra Cosworths for too long. A reasonable one for £25k (had) been the norm for some time.

Englishman

2,220 posts

211 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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I owned one of these back in the early '90's, still under the manufacturers 3 year warranty, which was unusual at the time. It was a great car, when it was going, for the young family I had at the time.

It wasn’t the most reliable though, largely due to manufacturing faults. Turbo’s, brake calipers, gearbox, porous timing cover (engine out head off) etc.etc. all had to be replaced. One bill came to just over £11K which I’m pleased to say was covered by the warranty. I’m sure most, if not all, of the cars still around have had these issues fixed. If not, be prepared!


Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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exgtt said:
So prices are on the up? Bout time, these have lagged behind Sierra Cosworths for too long. A reasonable one for £25k (had) been the norm for some time.
Not the norm at the moment, or so it would seem. There's an optimistic chap who is (or was) selling his and upped the price every few months when it didn't sale

Currently seen one for sale for £125k, but with only 4500 miles on the clock...

J4CKO

41,637 posts

201 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Funny how back then 375 bhp was a figure that made my head spin, it did not compute, unheard of outside Italian shouty things, its in a Carlton for gods sake etc etc, now a Ford Focus has that much power and generally, that much power doesnt even raise an eyebrow in most circumstances but my original feelings for these remain, the just look so right,the Carlton wasnt a bad looking car but the Lotus changes really made it look impressive.

Hothouse

112 posts

91 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Had one pass me on the M6 back in the day.
Appeared from nowhere, politely waited for all us curious slowcoaches to move over, and was passed literally in the blink of an eye. Gone. Such huge road presence. Awesome

Hothouse

112 posts

91 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Had one pass me on the M6 back in the day.
Appeared from nowhere, politely waited for all us curious slowcoaches to move over, and was passed literally in the blink of an eye. Gone. Such huge road presence. Awesome

phumy

5,674 posts

238 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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My LC keeping my Audi RS2 company at the beach

civiclegend

166 posts

171 months

Thursday 19th April 2018
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Would this not be extremely good value, then?

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