RE: 911 GT3 RS goes sub 7 minutes

[alexaras]

I am sorry maybe I didn't make myself clear - I was referring to the 991.1 GT3RS:
"Do we really have an official time - who was the driver - what tyres did the car have? Track conditions.
Brief search I did - did not show too much"

alexaras said:

I can't believe the 991.1 GT3RS is slower than the heavier with less aero GT3 991.2 on same tyres - same conditions - same driver.

I was comparing the 991.1 "GT3RS" with the 991.2 "GT3" - Not the 991.2 "GT3RS"
Doesn't make sense to me that the facelift "normal" GT3 is faster compared to the GT3RS 991.1, with the latter being lighter with more aero and same hp.

RacerMike said:

alexaras said:

As an owner of 991.1 GT3 RS I am also trying to figure out where those 24secs gone ?

I think the main answer is tyres....and a bit more power. I believe the new car is on a newer racier compound of the Cup2.

alexaras said:

Do we really have an official time - who was the driver - what tyres did the car have? Track conditions.
Brief search I did - did not show too much.

Well. The video is supplied and posted by Porsche themselves and they generally have an independent timekeeper (unlike many). The driver was Kevin Estre (as stated in the article) and the tyres are Cup2 R's (detailed elsewhere on the internet)

alexaras said:

I can't believe the 991.1 GT3RS is slower than the heavier with less aero GT3 991.2 on same tyres - same conditions - same driver.

All the info I can find says the 991.2 GT3 RS with the Weissach Pack is actually 8kg lighter than the old car. So not sure why you think it's heavier? And as for the aero, I'm pretty sure it's got the higher wing stays of the GT2 RS and I suspect the NACA ducts in the bonnet are there for aero benefit too, so if anything it also has more than the .1.

[Ahonen]

Cold said:

Track car goes quick on a track. Oh.

This is a performance car website. You are in the wrong place.

[RacerMike]

alexaras said:

I am sorry maybe I didn't make myself clear - I was referring to the 991.1 GT3RS

OK, missed that.

alexaras said:

I can't believe the 991.1 GT3RS is slower than the heavier with less aero GT3 991.2 on same tyres - same conditions - same driver.

I was comparing the 991.1 "GT3RS" with the 991.2 "GT3" - Not the 991.2 "GT3RS"
Doesn't make sense to me that the facelift "normal" GT3 is faster compared to the GT3RS 991.1, with the latter being lighter with more aero and same hp.

The PDK 991.2 GT3 is 10kg heavier and the manual 7kg lighter. Whether the driver had a big st in the morning will make more a difference. There was no official video for the 991.1 GT3 RS, but the time was quoted by Porsche in their original press release info http://gtspirit.com/2015/03/03/official-2016-porsc.... The 991.2 GT3 has slightly more aero than the 991.1 with a taller rear wing and more power.

As I said, a majority of the time will be down the improvement in tyres. A Cup 2 isn't a Cup 2.....each manufacturer has it's own compound and construction, and the newer N2 marked (and N0 R) tyres have more performance than those run on the 991.1 cars.

The 991.2 GT3 RS runs a new Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 N0 R tyre as detailed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...

[Ares]

woollyjoe said:

Why I will never own an RS product - I have no where near the skill needed to extract 25% of that performance.

Glad they are made though... what a driver, what a car.

One of my trips to the ring for a 2 days RMA Track Day, I was in my Exige, a friend in his 964 RS another in his '98 Carrera CS.

We all swapped cars for a few laps. The RS was amazing. What on the road felt heavy and almost unwieldy came alive on track. Same guy also has a 993 RS, that was similarly not difficult to drive. OK, the limits on both are way above my capability, but anyone with a half decent craft can get huge huge amounts out of these cars, don't limit your self confidence to 25%.

Get the car, then up the skill level.

I do the same thing with bikes. It's a variant of man logic

[Murcielago_Boy]

Absolute raggedy-edge driving. He's a genius/nut job.....


In fact - watch at exactly 3.50 when the car get's out of shape turning left after the fastest section on the circuit (bar the main straight).
Unbelievable skill and balls.

[dvshannow]

The focus on ring times has led to a big improvement in driver skill and there are clearly some far better drivers right now

I think a lot of these 24 secs are the driver and tires

Put the same driver around the track in the .1 and .2 on same tires and it will be a LOT less.

[thegreenhell]

It would be interesting to put all GT3 RS variants, 996, 997 and 991, together on the same tyres with the same driver on the same day to see how much of the improvement comes from just the car. Tyres have certainly come on a lot in the 15 years since the 996 GT3 RS managed a 7:47 lap.

[hondansx]

alexaras said:

As an owner of 991.1 GT3 RS I am also trying to figure out where those 24secs gone ?

Do we really have an official time - who was the driver - what tyres did the car have? Track conditions.
Brief search I did - did not show too much.

I can't believe the 991.1 GT3RS is slower than the heavier with less aero GT3 991.2 on same tyres - same conditions - same driver.

Well done to Porsche for this performance. That driver is a nutcase - My God...

Epic performance.

PS: Performante is a faster can than Gen 1 RS - for sure
PS: Think 7th on GT3 is longer than 7th on a GT3 RS (wonder if gearing is the same bettween 991.1 and 991.2)

The car does see to suffer from high speed aero drug.

Didn't Manthey make the Gen 1 RS go 10 seconds quicker with better brakes pads and suspension?

[e30m3Mark]

Ahonen said:

Cold said:

Track car goes quick on a track. Oh.

This is a performance car website. You are in the wrong place.

Added to which it's more about just how quickly it's going. This is an off the shelf production car, albeit a rather special and expensive one. It's also an iconic car that people love. Combine that with a driver who's gifted enough to extract the best from it and you can surely see why so many people are interested?

[Cold]

e30m3Mark said:

Ahonen said:

Cold said:

Track car goes quick on a track. Oh.

This is a performance car website. You are in the wrong place.

Added to which it's more about just how quickly it's going. This is an off the shelf production car, albeit a rather special and expensive one. It's also an iconic car that people love. Combine that with a driver who's gifted enough to extract the best from it and you can surely see why so many people are interested?

It's just another Porsche. Can you see why so many people aren't interested?

[Ares]

Cold said:

e30m3Mark said:

Ahonen said:

Cold said:

Track car goes quick on a track. Oh.

This is a performance car website. You are in the wrong place.

Added to which it's more about just how quickly it's going. This is an off the shelf production car, albeit a rather special and expensive one. It's also an iconic car that people love. Combine that with a driver who's gifted enough to extract the best from it and you can surely see why so many people are interested?

It's just another Porsche. Can you see why so many people aren't interested blindly whinge before reading the article or watching the video?

Corrected that for you....

[e30m3Mark]

Cold said:

e30m3Mark said:

Ahonen said:

Cold said:

Track car goes quick on a track. Oh.

This is a performance car website. You are in the wrong place.

Added to which it's more about just how quickly it's going. This is an off the shelf production car, albeit a rather special and expensive one. It's also an iconic car that people love. Combine that with a driver who's gifted enough to extract the best from it and you can surely see why so many people are interested?

It's just another Porsche. Can you see why so many people aren't interested?

It's a specific Porsche. A 911 GT3 RS.

Of course I can see why there would be people who aren't interested. I imagine they're the majority? I'm not so sure many of them would come here just to declare that fact though?

[culpz]

Cold said:

It's just another Porsche. Can you see why so many people aren't interested?

Does your username always have to reflect the content of your "contributions"

[dvshannow]

Nanook said:

thegreenhell said:

It would be interesting to put all GT3 RS variants, 996, 997 and 991, together on the same tyres with the same driver on the same day to see how much of the improvement comes from just the car. Tyres have certainly come on a lot in the 15 years since the 996 GT3 RS managed a 7:47 lap.

Tyres are still part of the car though.

If you gave it an older engine, an older gearbox, older brakes, it probably wouldn't be as fast.

Tyres are just another one of those parts that manufacturers buy, like some gearboxes, brakes, wheels etc.

To be fair i think that arguement is weak as yes they are but people generally change tires more than brakes gearbox engine etc.

If a 997 is incapable of getting the most from modern tires without chassis tweaks thats a diff question but if its 10 secs quicker just from new tires id say thats its important comparison time vs the new car on the same tires

[alexaras]

Agreed - Still an epic car and for sure close to 10 secs faster than 991.1 which is already a technological advancement.
The way the GT3 RS feels to me - is like all the money ever made by Porsche was put back to R&D to make these cars...
Epic - hope they will continue to make them N/A and as pure as they are.

dvshannow said:

The focus on ring times has led to a big improvement in driver skill and there are clearly some far better drivers right now

I think a lot of these 24 secs are the driver and tires

Put the same driver around the track in the .1 and .2 on same tires and it will be a LOT less.

[dinkel]

Ares said:

dinkel said:

Hand me over such a car and I will do 9 mins after 5 laps... A very experienced driver might get 8... Only a serious pilot wil approach 7-something...

Only if you've already got a good knowledge of the ring. Never underestimate how difficult even a sub 9min lap is regardless of car.

Which makes this effort even more incredible!