RE: 911 GT3 RS goes sub 7 minutes
Discussion
Ares said:
Is that any different to the last few decades though? 20yrs ago road legal supercars did well if they got under 8 minutes.....now fairly normal saloon cars are getting circa 7.30min.
the difference is the hybrid tech is basically a gimmick that added nothing positive to the driving experiencesaying that, the p1 lm is still the fastest road legal car in the world round the ring
WCZ said:
gt3rs - significantly cheaper than the performante yet only 4 seconds slower
gt2rs - slightly cheaper than the performante and 5 seconds faster
Yeah.gt2rs - slightly cheaper than the performante and 5 seconds faster
Meanwhile in the real world, should you want to actually buy said cars, it'd turn out that a GT3 RS is approximately the same price, and a GT2 RS is almost twice the price of the Huracan.
WCZ said:
Ares said:
Is that any different to the last few decades though? 20yrs ago road legal supercars did well if they got under 8 minutes.....now fairly normal saloon cars are getting circa 7.30min.
the difference is the hybrid tech is basically a gimmick that added nothing positive to the driving experiencesaying that, the p1 lm is still the fastest road legal car in the world round the ring
CedricN said:
This is rarely taken into account, but the track changes almost every year, bumps are smoothed out, resurfaced etc For example they shaved of flugplatz to make it safer a while ago, so each year its getting faster, and makes it hard to compare to older times. But anyway, its a hell of a lap, its so "messy" and on the limit its incredible that he keeps it on the black stuff, incredible.
I wonder how much faster a 956 could be piloted around there now, compared to the 6:11 lap from 1983?The Surveyor said:
Halo cars will always remain halo cars. Those cars are owned by serious car collectors, with a collection of many more cars than just 'the fastest'. Battery maintenance is no difference to the replacement fuel bags in the F40 / F50 and that hasn't done them any harm so don't expect bargain 918s cropping up on ebay in the near future.
Back on topic, that GT3RS lap is really impressive. God I wish I could drive like that.....
P1's are already declining in value and have lost several hundred thousand over the last few months, the problem is they are just not that different than the 720s in performance and the P1 is just not that unique in the lineup. Back on topic, that GT3RS lap is really impressive. God I wish I could drive like that.....
the 918 might survive better due to the porsche brand and that it had the ring time for a little while whereas the P1 never had a published time until the cripplingly expensive £3m LM
JulierPass said:
Apparently the car is on new michelin cup "N2" tyres. I'd like to know ow much of the performance is down to the tyres? It doesn't have an active aero over the old model and 24 seconds is a staggering difference
c5%. Tyres make up a lot, and easily 5% comparing optimum road legal track tyres with average road tyres.....but the previous gen GT3 won't have been on average road tyres 
Max_Torque said:
I wonder how much of the time improvement is due to the rear wheel steering. The car seems to have an almost perfect balance, which is actually not that easy to achieve with a 911, where it is both stable under breaking with lock on, but also looks to get into the corners (turn in phase) very cleanly indeed ie not needing a little "send" or lift or whatever, just turn the wheel and in she goes.
(don't think i'm be-littling the driver btw, they can clearly pedal a bit, but it's very clear the car has a great balance)
I think it’s a massive help, although having passengered a lot in my friends cars (he had a .1 RS and now has a .2 GT3) there’s still noticeable push from mid corner to exit once the general weight distribution starts to come into play. Saying that they are a lot less pushy than the 997s. That’s undoubtably helped by the moving of the weight distrubution forward (longer wheel base and more ‘stuff’ in the nose than the older cars), but it’s still far from ideal.(don't think i'm be-littling the driver btw, they can clearly pedal a bit, but it's very clear the car has a great balance)
I’d genuinely love to see what a 718 with circa 500bhp, Cup 2s and aero would do. They have so, so much more front end, I suspect it would anhialite the 911....
WCZ said:
The Surveyor said:
Halo cars will always remain halo cars. Those cars are owned by serious car collectors, with a collection of many more cars than just 'the fastest'. Battery maintenance is no difference to the replacement fuel bags in the F40 / F50 and that hasn't done them any harm so don't expect bargain 918s cropping up on ebay in the near future.
Back on topic, that GT3RS lap is really impressive. God I wish I could drive like that.....
P1's are already declining in value and have lost several hundred thousand over the last few months, the problem is they are just not that different than the 720s in performance and the P1 is just not that unique in the lineup. Back on topic, that GT3RS lap is really impressive. God I wish I could drive like that.....
the 918 might survive better due to the porsche brand and that it had the ring time for a little while whereas the P1 never had a published time until the cripplingly expensive £3m LM
I'm no racing driver (I can pedal a go-kart briskly and that's it) but the lap looks quite erratic? It might be the set up of the car to get its tyres to work, but he does some weird shifting and quite a lot of 4-wheel sliding going on. Looks like there is still time on the table.
Still, mega car and do want lots.
Still, mega car and do want lots.
The Surveyor said:
I'm not sure there are enough P1's or anything at that level selling at the moment to confirm they have 'lost several hundred thousand over the last few months'. The lack of lap-times didn't impact on their initial values either so I'm not convinced on that as all 3 of those hybrid cars were comparable at the time. The point about their complex power-train impacting values applies equally to each also.
https://www.conceptcarz.com/valuation/27461/mclaren-p1.aspxthe most recent one to sell was a really nice example too
..still...there will be a 992RS and that will be interesting..........Max_Torque said:
I wonder how much of the time improvement is due to the rear wheel steering. The car seems to have an almost perfect balance, which is actually not that easy to achieve with a 911, where it is both stable under breaking with lock on, but also looks to get into the corners (turn in phase) very cleanly indeed ie not needing a little "send" or lift or whatever, just turn the wheel and in she goes.
(don't think i'm be-littling the driver btw, they can clearly pedal a bit, but it's very clear the car has a great balance)
the braking was probably the most impressive part of that lap for me along with the outright commitment. i would love a passenger lap in that car with that driver.(don't think i'm be-littling the driver btw, they can clearly pedal a bit, but it's very clear the car has a great balance)
steveb8189 said:
Very impressive! How long of a straight would it take to reach it's 310km/h top speed? Did that have factory aero as it looked like it would struggle to get to 290 to me
The angle of attack of the rear wing is adjustable so I suspect Porsche changed it to it's most aggressive/high downforce setting. Also I think you can change the vanes underneath the front of the car to help balance the increase in downforce at the rear. Jdjd1 said:
How is it not relevant, It may aswell be an actual GT3 car it's about as available to the public as one
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