RE: Jag kills six-cylinder saloons

[anonymous-user]

Max_Torque said:

About time that horrible engine died tbh. Right from the off it was a really pretty poor engine, being the V8 with two cyls blanked off......

Quite, it's no real loss. JLR apologists always try and make excuses for it but it really was an inexcusable bodge that gives truth to the "premium" lie.

[AppleJuice]

Max_Torque said:

About time that horrible engine died tbh. Right from the off it was a really pretty poor engine, being the V8 with two cyls blanked off......

Even British Leyland weren't that bad... were they?

[DonkeyApple]

AppleJuice said:

Even British Leyland weren't that bad... were they?

It’s one of the efficient ways to deliver a mid sized performance engine though. You either use your V8 production line and parts or your i4 line and parts.

Firms like Jaguar and Mercedes suddenly had to find an infil engine to meet various regulations and for both of them the cheapest route was to use the V8 line but from the outset (there was all that lobbying to change F1 to V6 to try and get rid of the stigma of V6’s traditionally being the poor man’s V engine, think Toyota, Vauxhall, Ford etc) both companies aimed to replace this compromise solution as soon as they economically could with an i6. I think the delay for both lay with them wanting to see whether they even needed to have this mid sized unit in their range as the pace at which all firms were downsizing to 4 pots and how turbo tech had improved so swiftly must have raised the thought and left them wanting to see how this evolution panned out?

[Pica-Pica]

I have never owned a V6, but for me one of the advantages of an I6 is smoothness. I could let my E36 2.5 I6 go down to tickover in top, and it would pull vibration free, albeit slowly, from 600rpm up to whatever.

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

AppleJuice said:

Even British Leyland weren't that bad... were they?

It’s one of the efficient ways to deliver a mid sized performance engine though. You either use your V8 production line and parts or your i4 line and parts.

Firms like Jaguar and Mercedes suddenly had to find an infil engine to meet various regulations and for both of them the cheapest route was to use the V8 line but from the outset (there was all that lobbying to change F1 to V6 to try and get rid of the stigma of V6’s traditionally being the poor man’s V engine, think Toyota, Vauxhall, Ford etc) both companies aimed to replace this compromise solution as soon as they economically could with an i6. I think the delay for both lay with them wanting to see whether they even needed to have this mid sized unit in their range as the pace at which all firms were downsizing to 4 pots and how turbo tech had improved so swiftly must have raised the thought and left them wanting to see how this evolution panned out?

Even Chrysler era Benz managed to actually make their 90 degree V8s the right length though, the JLR use of the same block dimensions as the V8 is great for them from a cost saving and packaging exercise but this isn't a 1970s US market Ford, and when buying such an expensive car I think you're entitled to expect better.

I was very much looking forward to a new Jaguar I6, but if it carries over the characteristics of the Ingenium I4 I think we all need to "manage our expectations".

Still, everyone else in Europe (including auto journalists) seem to think that diesel 4 pots are acceptably refined in £50k+ cars, so what do I know.

[DonkeyApple]

dme123 said:

Even Chrysler era Benz managed to actually make their 90 degree V8s the right length though, the JLR use of the same block dimensions as the V8 is great for them from a cost saving and packaging exercise but this isn't a 1970s US market Ford, and when buying such an expensive car I think you're entitled to expect better.

I was very much looking forward to a new Jaguar I6, but if it carries over the characteristics of the Ingenium I4 I think we all need to "manage our expectations".

Still, everyone else in Europe (including auto journalists) seem to think that diesel 4 pots are acceptably refined in £50k+ cars, so what do I know.

Agree. At the end of the day no one gives a flying fk about the lump of metal that is under the bonnet or boot. What the consumer cares about is the monthlies, accessing social media and what badge makes them look a winner to strangers for a brief period of time while they debt themselves into poverty and an old age of blaming everyone else for them sitting in piss soaked 30 year old Calvins.