RE: Lamborghini Urus: Driven
Discussion
PhantomPH said:
Every now and again PH throws up a thread like this that contains every clich?, stereotype and bitterness possible. Like everyone is just working from a stock list of replies.
I’m starting to think that PH is not actually real and is just an AI bot that has suckered me in.
Although there is some of this on PH, I think this thread is not that at all. It's full of people who probably grew up with the aspiration to own a Lambo and even some people who actually own one who are bemoaning this pig-ugly marketing exercise.I’m starting to think that PH is not actually real and is just an AI bot that has suckered me in.
In other words, it's full of real PistonHeads who actually care about the cars on the road, the companies who make them, how they look, how they drive, what character they have, and not having the entire automotive world turn into a bland morass of plasticky, soulness, sales-led mush. Despite VAG ownership, Lamborghini is one of the bastions of everything that makes ten year olds get excited about cars and decide they want to buy a sports car when they grow up. I think it's only right and proper that we collectively bemoan what's happened here. That's not being bitter, it's caring about the future of the brand, large naturally aspirated engines, sports cars, super cars, and all the rest of it.
Also: I don't care if it has eleventy billion horsepower, it won't be as fast down a B-road as a remapped 320d.
herebebeasties said:
PhantomPH said:
Every now and again PH throws up a thread like this that contains every clich?, stereotype and bitterness possible. Like everyone is just working from a stock list of replies.
I’m starting to think that PH is not actually real and is just an AI bot that has suckered me in.
Although there is some of this on PH, I think this thread is not that at all. It's full of people who probably grew up with the aspiration to own a Lambo and even some people who actually own one who are bemoaning this pig-ugly marketing exercise.I’m starting to think that PH is not actually real and is just an AI bot that has suckered me in.
In other words, it's full of real PistonHeads who actually care about the cars on the road, the companies who make them, how they look, how they drive, what character they have, and not having the entire automotive world turn into a bland morass of plasticky, soulness, sales-led mush. Despite VAG ownership, Lamborghini is one of the bastions of everything that makes ten year olds get excited about cars and decide they want to buy a sports car when they grow up. I think it's only right and proper that we collectively bemoan what's happened here. That's not being bitter, it's caring about the future of the brand, large naturally aspirated engines, sports cars, super cars, and all the rest of it.
Also: I don't care if it has eleventy billion horsepower, it won't be as fast down a B-road as a remapped 320d.
DoubleD said:
It will definitely change the way that buyers view the brand.
Take Porsche for example, bringing along the suv's and, arguabley, even the (now found at £5k used) Boxters has diminished it for me. Old Cayennes are in the hands of chavs. When I was a kid, a 911 was something you would aspire to, now I woulod argue that less do and McLaren has probably taken its place.
Edited by hyphen on Friday 27th April 16:40
dvshannow said:
I cant imagune the designers bwing inspired working on this , inagine you get your dream job at lambo after uni and are get put onto blinging a vw suv into
I guess you’d cope by growing a beard, opening up some social media accounts and talking about how humbling it is to be glueing a few bits of trim to an Audi? How do the kids at Mansory cope? 
PhantomPH said:
As I have already stated on this thread, I don't believe the brand will suffer in the tiniest bit. They will still sell every Peformante/Aventador/Whatever they can build. If Ferrari can survive the brand being plastered all over head scarfs, Segways and anti-virus software, then Lambo will not be 'tarnished' by having an SUV that some people don't like. I point you in the direction of Porsche as proof.
I suspected etc you’re right that the brand isn’t going to suffer in reality. Not in the short to medium term and in the long term I doubt the next generation of car buyers will hold any value in heritage as they won’t have ever known what it is. The interesting one will be the Ferrari as their SUV should actually be a Ferrari rather than an Audi with some bits glued on?
DonkeyApple said:
PhantomPH said:
As I have already stated on this thread, I don't believe the brand will suffer in the tiniest bit. They will still sell every Peformante/Aventador/Whatever they can build. If Ferrari can survive the brand being plastered all over head scarfs, Segways and anti-virus software, then Lambo will not be 'tarnished' by having an SUV that some people don't like. I point you in the direction of Porsche as proof.
I suspected etc you’re right that the brand isn’t going to suffer in reality. Not in the short to medium term and in the long term I doubt the next generation of car buyers will hold any value in heritage as they won’t have ever known what it is. The interesting one will be the Ferrari as their SUV should actually be a Ferrari rather than an Audi with some bits glued on?
Thought they were never going to do one, tho?
PhantomPH said:
The Ferrari thing could force Lambo to do things differently for the next gen of Urus...but I will be very impressed if Ferrari do a truly in-house SUV without any external platform sharing. I could see them using something like an Alfa Stelvio platform as a base.
Thought they were never going to do one, tho?
They just said they were never going to do one. It’s not exactly an industry renowned for any form of honesty. When it comes to cars you can be pretty comfortable that when a manufacturer announces that they are not going to do something they already have the business plan and finding fully in place to do it. Thought they were never going to do one, tho?
Besides, Ferrari is now a listed company so must grow every year, without fail for the rest of its life while also debasing itself.
It would, to be honest, be genuinely mind blowing if Ferrari built their SUV on some other platform. It’s close to inconceivable.
DoubleD said:
spagbogdog said:
DoubleD said:
spagbogdog said:
They already have one.. FF../...GTC...
Neither of those are SUVs
Apparently it ticks all the boxes.
Even wazzin round in the snow on their home page.
It is most definitely an SUV.
spagbogdog said:
DoubleD said:
spagbogdog said:
DoubleD said:
spagbogdog said:
They already have one.. FF../...GTC...
Neither of those are SUVsApparently it ticks all the boxes.
Even wazzin round in the snow on their home page.
It is most definitely an SUV.
So is this an SUV?
Front engine
5 seats
4 wheel drive
Hatchback
No its not. And neither is a Ferrari FF ha ha
Nanook said:
Sport-utility (vehicle) - SUV or sport-ute is an automotive classification, typically a kind of station wagon / estate car with off-road vehicle features like raised ground clearance and ruggedness, and available four-wheel drive.
A Ferrari FF doesn't quite fulfil those requirements!
Which of those does it not fulfill..???A Ferrari FF doesn't quite fulfil those requirements!
Or do you want to remind yourself of their home~page video..with the car drifting in the snow.
I also seem to remember the ski-hatch in the rear seats of the original FF..
It may not resemble your stereotypical viewpoint but there is no doubt that Ferrari have designed a vehicle to appeal to a certain type of buyer..
IE one with a bit of kit to lug around with passengers.
Could just be that Ferrari already have (with this) the nucleus of a bigger-fatter version in the pipe..
Edited by spagbogdog on Saturday 28th April 14:03
spagbogdog said:
Nanook said:
Sport-utility (vehicle) - SUV or sport-ute is an automotive classification, typically a kind of station wagon / estate car with off-road vehicle features like raised ground clearance and ruggedness, and available four-wheel drive.
A Ferrari FF doesn't quite fulfil those requirements!
Which of those does it not fulfill..???A Ferrari FF doesn't quite fulfil those requirements!
Or do you want to remind yourself of their home~page video..with the car drifting in the snow.
I also seem to remember the ski-hatch in the rear seats of the original FF..
It may not resemble your stereotypical viewpoint but there is no doubt that Ferrari have designed a vehicle to appeal to a certain type of buyer..
IE one with a bit of kit to lug around with passengers.
Phil Dicky said:
spagbogdog said:
Nanook said:
Sport-utility (vehicle) - SUV or sport-ute is an automotive classification, typically a kind of station wagon / estate car with off-road vehicle features like raised ground clearance and ruggedness, and available four-wheel drive.
A Ferrari FF doesn't quite fulfil those requirements!
Which of those does it not fulfill..???A Ferrari FF doesn't quite fulfil those requirements!
Or do you want to remind yourself of their home~page video..with the car drifting in the snow.
I also seem to remember the ski-hatch in the rear seats of the original FF..
It may not resemble your stereotypical viewpoint but there is no doubt that Ferrari have designed a vehicle to appeal to a certain type of buyer..
IE one with a bit of kit to lug around with passengers.
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