Cars taking on bikes (again)
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Biker's Nemesis said:
No no no no no.
Give the car the same width tyres and same diameter braking discs.
May as well limit the car to 200 bhp while we're at it.
And make the Bugatti available for under £20k.Give the car the same width tyres and same diameter braking discs.
May as well limit the car to 200 bhp while we're at it.
These car drivers just cannot accept their metal boxes are slow, heavy and overpriced. Designed for people who lack the courage or talent to even try riding a property fast motorbike.
Biker's Nemesis said:
av185 said:
Yep and let's see how that bike 'performs' with pillion against the Bugatti lol.
Only then would it be a level playing field.
No no no no no.Only then would it be a level playing field.
Give the car the same width tyres and same diameter braking discs.
May as well limit the car to 200 bhp while we're at it.
wormus said:
Designed for people who lack the courage or talent to even try riding a property fast motorbike.
To be fair 99% of fast bike owners don't have the talent or courage either. Sure there was a guy earlier in this thread that said he had only used full throttle about 3 times in a year or more of riding the bike.The difference between an average bike rider and a talented one is huge. Similar with car drivers but I think the gap is smaller.
RB Will said:
The difference between an average bike rider and a talented one is huge. Similar with car drivers but I think the gap is smaller.
Although judging by the increasing number of Bank holiday cockwombles experienced both driving and riding these past few days that is debatable......wormus said:
And make the Bugatti available for under £20k.
These car drivers just cannot accept their metal boxes are slow, heavy and overpriced. Designed for people who lack the courage or talent to even try riding a property fast motorbike.
Where to even start with this? Guess he just hasn't thought this through. Maybe his courage and talent really is awesome. We've already seen how quick witted these bikers areThese car drivers just cannot accept their metal boxes are slow, heavy and overpriced. Designed for people who lack the courage or talent to even try riding a property fast motorbike.
RB Will said:
The difference between an average bike rider and a talented one is huge. Similar with car drivers but I think the gap is smaller.
That is a fact and anyone that argues differently is merely demonstrating their ignorance.
cmaguire said:
RB Will said:
The difference between an average bike rider and a talented one is huge. Similar with car drivers but I think the gap is smaller.
That is a fact and anyone that argues differently is merely demonstrating their ignorance.
If you think you can exploit it - on the road - you're a liability.
Red 4 said:
cmaguire said:
RB Will said:
The difference between an average bike rider and a talented one is huge. Similar with car drivers but I think the gap is smaller.
That is a fact and anyone that argues differently is merely demonstrating their ignorance.
If you think you can exploit it - on the road - you're a liability.
That aside, I probably only need to get somewhere near 70% to deal with virtually any driver on the road. I don't need to be a hero.
Red 4 said:
cmaguire said:
You would probably regard me as a liability anyway irrespective of circumstance.
That aside, I probably only need to get somewhere near 70% to deal with virtually any driver on the road. I don't need to be a hero.
On the twisty bits ?That aside, I probably only need to get somewhere near 70% to deal with virtually any driver on the road. I don't need to be a hero.
Nah, you're definitely a hero.
I have a 500bhp car weighing around 1380kg and a 190bhp bike weighing around 190kg.
I can play in both camps.
The reality is that the performance of the bike is in a different time zone to the car. Has the car got more ultimate grip? Yes. But unless the comparison relies on that factor to the exclusion of all others then the car will lose.
Which it will. On the road.
f1nn said:
58 pages...
Please see the link below;
https://youtu.be/1Zj2h-3AeiM
1200hp of Veyron Vitesse vs an S1000RR in a straight line. Pretty conclusive.
Wow, that’s pretty amazing! There can’t be many cars as fast in a straight line as a Veyron so that really shows how quickly a litre bike accelerates...Please see the link below;
https://youtu.be/1Zj2h-3AeiM
1200hp of Veyron Vitesse vs an S1000RR in a straight line. Pretty conclusive.
Red 4 said:
Depends on the road.
And the weather.
It doesn’t really depend on the weather at all. It’s the same for both and bikes don’t suddenly disintegrate in rain and can still be ridden fairly hard by a competent rider. In fact, most cars slow down even more amd much more than is necessary IMEAnd the weather.
Here’s a trackday in the pouring rain, with standing water and rain still lashing down. Much slower than the dry, but then cars are similar too
https://youtu.be/9tFGrgzEqQo
Gavia said:
It doesn’t really depend on the weather at all. It’s the same for both and bikes don’t suddenly disintegrate in rain and can still be ridden fairly hard by a competent rider. In fact, most cars slow down even more amd much more than is necessary IME
Here’s a trackday in the pouring rain, with standing water and rain still lashing down. Much slower than the dry, but then cars are similar too
https://youtu.be/9tFGrgzEqQo
It does on the road.Here’s a trackday in the pouring rain, with standing water and rain still lashing down. Much slower than the dry, but then cars are similar too
https://youtu.be/9tFGrgzEqQo
Your comparison to riding on a track is a poor one.
Remind me again why those races at the TT are cancelled ... Clue. It's due to rain.
Red 4 said:
It does on the road.
Your comparison to riding on a track is a poor one.
Remind me again why those races at the TT are cancelled ... Clue. It's due to rain.
It’s due to the cloud from the rain preventing the helicopter from taking off, which means from a safety perspective it can’t be run. Obviously that fact shouldn’t alter your view though. Your comparison to riding on a track is a poor one.
Remind me again why those races at the TT are cancelled ... Clue. It's due to rain.
The track was purely an example as I only ride for fun, so rarely go out in the rain, I use my car then. However, when I used to commute on a bike it was much better in the rain as traffic simply ground to a halt due to incompetent drivers.
I mentioned earlier about a lad in his 600bhp GTR on his local roads who was clearly out for a hoon in the damp getting a schooling by me on the coast road, a road I’d only ridden once before and that was 12 months earlier.
Did I mention I’ve got a car as well?
Gavia said:
I mentioned earlier about a lad in his 600bhp GTR on his local roads who was clearly out for a hoon in the damp getting a schooling by me on the coast road, a road I’d only ridden once before and that was 12 months earlier.
How do you know his car had 600bhp?How do you know he was local?
How do you know he was ‘clearly out for a hoon’?
Maybe he had just passed his test.
Maybe he had 9 points on his licence and wasn’t prepared to speed.
Maybe he didn’t want to goad a biker into killing himself.
Maybe he was lost.
Maybe he was a bit more mature and sensible than you.
Has this been posted yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsnYwWKTss
I mean it’s likely an old fart like av185 in his 911 but shows how easy it is to walk away from cars with a decade old super bike.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsnYwWKTss
I mean it’s likely an old fart like av185 in his 911 but shows how easy it is to walk away from cars with a decade old super bike.
Gavia said:
It’s due to the cloud from the rain preventing the helicopter from taking off, which means from a safety perspective it can’t be run. Obviously that fact shouldn’t alter your view though.
The track was purely an example as I only ride for fun, so rareljy go out in the rain, I use my car then. However, when I used to commute on a bike it was much better in the rain as traffic simply ground to a halt due to incompetent drivers.
I mentioned earlier about a lad in his 600bhp GTR on his local roads who was clearly out for a hoon in the damp getting a schooling by me on the coast road, a road I’d only ridden once before and that was 12 months earlier.
Did I mention I’ve got a car as well?
Nope, not always.The track was purely an example as I only ride for fun, so rareljy go out in the rain, I use my car then. However, when I used to commute on a bike it was much better in the rain as traffic simply ground to a halt due to incompetent drivers.
I mentioned earlier about a lad in his 600bhp GTR on his local roads who was clearly out for a hoon in the damp getting a schooling by me on the coast road, a road I’d only ridden once before and that was 12 months earlier.
Did I mention I’ve got a car as well?
Races have been cancelled or abandoned part way through due to showers - nothing to do with the helicopters. The track is deemed too dangerous.
Nobody is saying bikes aren't fast. They're just not that fast in certain areas/ conditions but they will out-accelerate cars.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 30th May 00:46
yonex said:
Has this been posted yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsnYwWKTss
I mean it’s likely an old fart like av185 in his 911 but shows how easy it is to walk away from cars with a decade old super bike.
It get real interesting when you make a car with the same purpose as the bike. Like say a Formula3 carhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxsnYwWKTss
I mean it’s likely an old fart like av185 in his 911 but shows how easy it is to walk away from cars with a decade old super bike.
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