Cars taking on bikes (again)

[Danxr46]

Rawwr said:

Thesprucegoose said:

I love this time of year when all the fat middle-aged bikers don their power rangers suits and play the mobile organ transplant game.

So witty, scathing and original! You should write comedy for ITV or something.

Yeah definitely original one!!! Clarkson

[schmunk]

Rawwr said:

Thesprucegoose said:

I love this time of year when all the fat middle-aged bikers don their power rangers suits and play the mobile organ transplant game.

So witty, scathing and original! You should write comedy for ITV or something.

...or the local news.

[nyxster]

Rawwr said:

So witty, scathing and original! You should write comedy for ITV or something.

You can see his frustration. Based on his car history he'd get overtaken by someone's nan on a mobility scooter.

[Hungrymc]

av185 said:

Question is if someone enjoys fast bikes and fast cars in equal measures which would be the preferred 'weapon' of choice on superb driving/riding roads like these?

Wow, great looking roads !

Hard to give a clear answer and I'm sure everyone would have different choices and reasons.

For me... Day trip or morning out and good conditions and on my own... Bike.
Part of a longer journey / trip or with a passenger or questionable conditions or with a need to be fresh the other end.... Car

In all honesty, its not that simple, I'd ideally want to mix it up and use both. Its even more complex when you include Atoms and 7s etc.

[jimPH]

Steven_RW said:

jimPH said:

normalbloke said:

swerni said:

normalbloke said:

I've done litre bikes and owned a couple of Caterhams. One of which was 400bhp. On the right road (traffic aside) the Caterham would leave the bike fairly easily. Bikes have one Greta strength, acceleration. Everything else they do pretty poorly ( corner, change direction,stop etc) It's also one of motoring's longest running arguments.

The 620R was only 311bhp.
Do you mean 400bhp / ton?

No I do not. It was running a 2.0 YB Cosworth turbo.

Rubbish combination for a seven tbh.

Back around 2000 John Felstead had a Westfield with a Cosworth 2.0l engine in it. He was handy behind the wheel and anyone that went in the passenger seat round one of the race tracks he was out on, including the N.ring said it was an insane fun experience.

Personally, I would stick to a N/A engine in a car like that but the point is it can work and can be fun to run a Cosworth engine.

I think dissipating the heat was the biggest challenge (withstanding traction issues!).

RW

A 2.0 producing 450hp will have a power curve that looks like a cliff. It's bad enough in a 90s rally car, let alone a seven weighing 650kg, with a relatively narrow tread width.

I'm sure it will be truly frightening if you like that kind of fun, but be much less capable than an n/a car with 300hp and a linear power delivery.

Headline figures are only good for bragging in the bar, or on the internet.

[Berkshire bred]

nyxster said:

You can see his frustration. Based on his car history he'd get overtaken by someone's nan on a mobility scooter.

I am fairly sure that is the most depressing car history I have ever been unfortunate enough to know about. I genuienely feel sorry for the bloke. Maybe we should start him a go fund me so that he can get a decent car, no human should have to suffer those god awful heaps. And look how miserable he is because of it. Poor sod

[Zetec-S]

DJP said:

If my car were as fast as my bike, it still wouldn't be as fast as my bike...

On real roads with real traffic.

Bikes sit higher and they're narrower. They can safely perform overtakes that even the fastest cars can only dream about.

My little commuter bike would lose a dual carriageway dust up to any of the current crop of GTis. But come up behind Caravan Kenneth on a twisty B road and it's getting past where the car definitely ain't.

One of the most sensible posts on this thread.

Short of driving on a completely empty/closed road, surely 99% of the time a bike will be quicker from A-B. Drive at (or slightly above) the speed limit on any road on a nice summers day and count the number of bikes that overtake you vs the number of cars.

[Jdjd1]

jimPH said:

Steven_RW said:

jimPH said:

normalbloke said:

swerni said:

normalbloke said:

A 2.0 producing 450hp will have a power curve that looks like a cliff. It's bad enough in a 90s rally car, let alone a seven weighing 650kg, with a relatively narrow tread width.

I'm sure it will be truly frightening if you like that kind of fun, but be much less capable than an n/a car with 300hp and a linear power delivery.

Headline figures are only good for bragging in the bar, or on the internet.

Absolute load of bks


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Does that fall off a cliff? Or would it come past 99% of every car that anybody owns on this forum?

Best run was 767bhp 596 torque from a 2.0, You can stick that up your headline bar bragging figures.

From possibly one of the biggest sleepers you will ever come across

Edited by Jdjd1 on Wednesday 25th April 13:34

[J4CKO]

Jdjd1 said:

jimPH said:

Steven_RW said:

jimPH said:

normalbloke said:

swerni said:

normalbloke said:

I've done litre bikes and owned a couple of Caterhams. One of which was 400bhp. On the right road (traffic aside) the Caterham would leave the bike fairly easily. Bikes have one Greta strength, acceleration. Everything else they do pretty poorly ( corner, change direction,stop etc) It's also one of motoring's longest running arguments.

The 620R was only 311bhp.
Do you mean 400bhp / ton?

No I do not. It was running a 2.0 YB Cosworth turbo.

Rubbish combination for a seven tbh.

Back around 2000 John Felstead had a Westfield with a Cosworth 2.0l engine in it. He was handy behind the wheel and anyone that went in the passenger seat round one of the race tracks he was out on, including the N.ring said it was an insane fun experience.

Personally, I would stick to a N/A engine in a car like that but the point is it can work and can be fun to run a Cosworth engine.

I think dissipating the heat was the biggest challenge (withstanding traction issues!).

RW

A 2.0 producing 450hp will have a power curve that looks like a cliff. It's bad enough in a 90s rally car, let alone a seven weighing 650kg, with a relatively narrow tread width.

I'm sure it will be truly frightening if you like that kind of fun, but be much less capable than an n/a car with 300hp and a linear power delivery.

Headline figures are only good for bragging in the bar, or on the internet.

Absolute load of bks

https://ufile.io/yt1gc

Does that fall off a cliff? Or would it come past 99% of evey car anybody owns on this forum

Edited by Jdjd1 on Wednesday 25th April 13:24

In no doubt something like a Seven with a big power turbo engine would be ridiculously quick, what has always made me wonder, is the power delivery of a heavily boosted engine in a very light, RWD car, the way the torque comes in, my thinking is that it would overwhelm the tyres fairly easily and make it a lesson in abject terror ?

However, been told before that perhaps isnt accurate, when its dry and warm anyway, but I cant see how it wouldnt be at least something of an issue ? or does the lack of weight means less inertia so more of it is transferred to forward motion ?

[V8 Fettler]

Wasn't car vs bike resolved on the TT course at the Isle of Man a couple of years ago? A heavily modified Subaru (700bhp, active suspension and more) was slightly faster than a virtually standard production 600, as I recall.

[Jdjd1]

Well the above will run an 8second quarter at about 150mph.

Enough to dispatch Anything or anyone.

Rolling start say 30-150 would probably out run a Chiron towed by a Eurofighter as suggested earlier

[Jdjd1]

V8 Fettler said:

Wasn't car vs bike resolved on the TT course at the Isle of Man a couple of years ago? A heavily modified Subaru (700bhp, active suspension and more) was slightly faster than a virtually standard production 600, as I recall.

And yet the same bikes are substantially slower round the ring. So what does it all mean? Anything can win on "Any Given Sunday"

[anonymous-user]

nyxster said:

You can see his frustration. Based on his car history he'd get overtaken by someone's nan on a mobility scooter.

And currently walks or takes the bus.

[blade7]

ChilliWhizz said:

No question regarding progress, but I was referring to acceleration. I think the scariest thing I ever rode was a Suzuki GT750, or kettle as it became known, the damn thing did its absolute utmost to spit you off in high speed corners

I'm certain a S1000RR would accelerate to 170 a lot faster than an 89 ZX10...

[RemyMartin81D]

blade7 said:

ChilliWhizz said:

No question regarding progress, but I was referring to acceleration. I think the scariest thing I ever rode was a Suzuki GT750, or kettle as it became known, the damn thing did its absolute utmost to spit you off in high speed corners

I'm certain a S1000RR would accelerate to 170 a lot faster than an 89 ZX10...

Yes ignoring things like active suspension, slipper clutches, quick shifters etc etc. Bikes have moved on enormously since 1989. I'd wager a 89 zx10 also wont get close to those figures tbh.

[DJP]

av185 said:

Try a different real road

Now that looks a fine biking road.

If only that white goods German car would get out of the way...

[RemyMartin81D]

Fwiw. On the pictures posted there isnt a car id pick over a choice of bike to ride over them. Ditto to everytime I've gone to IoM.

E.g
Id rather take a h2r over a p1 in every scenario on those type of roads. Granted that would illegal. Im not trolling either, I mean that.

A bike creates a sensation that sends the synapses into overload, a visceral onslaught which is bought on by danger, sheer exposure to the outside world.

Unless you rig a chair up on the roof a la Mr Bean style. A car, no car can recreate that. If you dont find that appealing, fair enough. Tbh it dont matter. It matters to those who care. Fwiw
I love cars and im hugely enamoured to my Abarth.

[ChilliWhizz]

blade7 said:

I'm certain a S1000RR would accelerate to 170 a lot faster than an 89 ZX10...

So am I

[av185]

Hungrymc said:

av185 said:

Question is if someone enjoys fast bikes and fast cars in equal measures which would be the preferred 'weapon' of choice on superb driving/riding roads like these?

Wow, great looking roads !

Hard to give a clear answer and I'm sure everyone would have different choices and reasons.

For me... Day trip or morning out and good conditions and on my own... Bike.
Part of a longer journey / trip or with a passenger or questionable conditions or with a need to be fresh the other end.... Car

In all honesty, its not that simple, I'd ideally want to mix it up and use both. Its even more complex when you include Atoms and 7s etc.

That second photo is one of my favourite driving roads in Scotland approaching the Cluanie Inn towards Glenshiel on the way to Skye.

Absolutely breathtaking.

[Boosted LS1]

Thesprucegoose said:

I love this time of year when all the fat middle-aged bikers don their power rangers suits and play the mobile organ transplant game.

I had a friend who had a tuned RD400 on race slicks many years ago. The bigger performance bikes always bottled it on the twisties.