Cars taking on bikes (again)
Discussion
Gavia said:
av185 said:
Probably.
Does beg the question though if someone thought they had a reasonable chance of beating the car on a bike they would be heading off to JOG as soon as.
Any of the 'top' bikers on here perhaps?
Meantime it's another win for the car.
Why would they? It means some serious speeds to average c90mph for the whole journey. Does beg the question though if someone thought they had a reasonable chance of beating the car on a bike they would be heading off to JOG as soon as.
Any of the 'top' bikers on here perhaps?
Meantime it's another win for the car.
av185 said:
Good to see you have finally grasped the main point of a race and setting records.
Racing is for short circuits and closed roads, not roads open to the public. Most adults would’ve grasped this concept by now, I guess living on X-Box means you’re not quite at that age yet. You seem scared to try the short circuit offer though, as yonex has called you out on it several times and you’ve not even got the balls to say no.
av185 said:
yonex said:
If you notice from the clip, it was a 12 year old superbike.
More to the point if you notice from the clip it was also a clear win for the Porsche, which incidentally looked c9 years old.
s off through the traffic. by the time they got to the dual carriageway stuff where the porsche had the top speed advantage the bike would have been out of sight had both been trying. as soon as traffic comes into the equation there is only one winner.on empty a and b roads it can get interesting though. a good mate that has a 400 hp focus plus a fireblade and is fairly handy with both (his ring lap times in both are only a few seconds apart) took me for a run over some local b roads, the apex speeds in the car were very similar to the bike on all but the slowest of corners. the speed between the corners wasn't that far below the bike either,that was the biggest surprise to me.
this short straight https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1960186,-3.25193... the car hits 100 mph, just short of the bikes 110mph before braking for the tight uphill right hander at the end. it looks longer in the image than reality. the scale on the map gives it as around 225 m. the corner leading onto it is an off camber crest that puts both bike and car airborne at fairly low speed.
this uphill left hand kink over a crest https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1910254,-3.27192... also launches the car and bike airborne at 145 mph indicated for the car and the same for the fireblade. the car driving mate will probably see 150 indicated there on his bike,again little difference, but all the little differences add up. another mate with a special pro drive edition subaru (he also rides bikes) came down the road with us one night from knockhill on what was known at the time as the knockhill tt post track evening run. apart from the first couple of miles down the road it is fairly open for the main part and while he was close for part of the way the time difference by the end was a couple of minutes. a couple of minutes over 20 odd miles at high speed is a massive gap.
you seem to be arguing the difference between two inanimate objects. the person actually driving/riding is always the difference when both vehicles are capable of 150 plus. on the road my money is on gavia on his bike over you in your car
the pork girls just won’t give up, accept it, being able to buy a fast car and being able to drive it fast are two different things 
Gavia said:
av185 said:
Good to see you have finally grasped the main point of a race and setting records.
Racing is for short circuits and closed roads, not roads open to the public. Most adults would’ve grasped this concept by now, I guess living on X-Box means you’re not quite at that age yet. You seem scared to try the short circuit offer though, as yonex has called you out on it several times and you’ve not even got the balls to say no.
Anyone know a track that would let them both on at the same time?
wc98 said:
av185 said:
yonex said:
If you notice from the clip, it was a 12 year old superbike.
More to the point if you notice from the clip it was also a clear win for the Porsche, which incidentally looked c9 years old.s off through the traffic. by the time they got to the dual carriageway stuff where the porsche had the top speed advantage the bike would have been out of sight had both been trying. as soon as traffic comes into the equation there is only one winner.on empty a and b roads it can get interesting though. a good mate that has a 400 hp focus plus a fireblade and is fairly handy with both (his ring lap times in both are only a few seconds apart) took me for a run over some local b roads, the apex speeds in the car were very similar to the bike on all but the slowest of corners. the speed between the corners wasn't that far below the bike either,that was the biggest surprise to me.
this short straight https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1960186,-3.25193... the car hits 100 mph, just short of the bikes 110mph before braking for the tight uphill right hander at the end. it looks longer in the image than reality. the scale on the map gives it as around 225 m. the corner leading onto it is an off camber crest that puts both bike and car airborne at fairly low speed.
this uphill left hand kink over a crest https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1910254,-3.27192... also launches the car and bike airborne at 145 mph indicated for the car and the same for the fireblade. the car driving mate will probably see 150 indicated there on his bike,again little difference, but all the little differences add up. another mate with a special pro drive edition subaru (he also rides bikes) came down the road with us one night from knockhill on what was known at the time as the knockhill tt post track evening run. apart from the first couple of miles down the road it is fairly open for the main part and while he was close for part of the way the time difference by the end was a couple of minutes. a couple of minutes over 20 odd miles at high speed is a massive gap.
you seem to be arguing the difference between two inanimate objects. the person actually driving/riding is always the difference when both vehicles are capable of 150 plus. on the road my money is on gavia on his bike over you in your car
You seem to saying then >150mph car = >150mph bikes which is pretty much every sports car and sports bike on sale today.
What matters here is with similar skills which is faster. A car will go through twisties faster a bike will leave most cars behind in between twisties.
A v narrow road favours the bike
A bumpy road maybe favours bike
Wet favours car
So its conclusive that bikes are not faster than cars per above
dvshannow said:
Its tricky in practice to do car v bike
Anyone know a track that would let them both on at the same time?
None in the U.K. and I wouldn’t go on track with cars at the same time. It is pretty easy though, just pick a day and we’ll turn up in our cars. The bigger problem is car trackdays seem to involve driving round in a line until someone indicates and moves over to let you past. There is the karting option that been discussed but not taken up yet. I think it was you that suggested it. Anyone know a track that would let them both on at the same time?
We could do consecutive days too and hope the weather conditions are similar and time it on an AIM Solo.
The other option is for av185 to turn up on his favourite B road and show us all how it’s done. He seems to not want to do this either and as soon as he gets called out on doing this, he completely vanishes.
Gavia said:
Racing is for short circuits and closed roads, not roads open to the public. Most adults would’ve grasped this concept by now, I guess living on X-Box means you’re not quite at that age yet.
You seem scared to try the short circuit offer though, as yonex has called you out on it several times and you’ve not even got the balls to say no.
The lack of understanding is almost as apparent as the lack of balls with these pork-driving fannies.You seem scared to try the short circuit offer though, as yonex has called you out on it several times and you’ve not even got the balls to say no.
I’ve ridden with you and others on this thread and we all know what happens when we come across old farts driving expensive VWs.
Funny thread though - the denial is breathtaking
legzr1 said:
The lack of understanding is almost as apparent as the lack of balls with these pork-driving fannies.
I’ve ridden with you and others on this thread and we all know what happens when we come across old farts driving expensive VWs.
Funny thread though - the denial is breathtaking
It is brilliant isn’t it I’ve ridden with you and others on this thread and we all know what happens when we come across old farts driving expensive VWs.
Funny thread though - the denial is breathtaking
I think bikes are generally faster short journey machines if you don't count getting geared up. Being able to filter, overtake where you wouldn't in a car (even if you could - you'd end up getting duffed up at the first lights!) and the accessibility of the performance (if you put the time into learning how to ride well) typically results in a decent bike getting there significantly faster than any car ever could.
However... I don't believe LEJOG would be as fast on a bike unless the rider was taking serious risks. Fuel range means if you're pushing you're stopping every 100 miles on anything quick and rider fatigue (they are so much more tiring to ride than driving a car) would slow the bike down by quite a bit IMO. A few years ago I was doing well over 20k fast miles a year on an R6 whilst at the same time being marathon fit. I wouldn't have wanted to do LEJOG in half a day then and I'm certain I probably couldn't do it at all now, despite still being marathon fit (but far less bike fit).
If everyone is as good as they sound on here though, sounds like some of you guys are bang on target to nail a new record on four wheels and two!
However... I don't believe LEJOG would be as fast on a bike unless the rider was taking serious risks. Fuel range means if you're pushing you're stopping every 100 miles on anything quick and rider fatigue (they are so much more tiring to ride than driving a car) would slow the bike down by quite a bit IMO. A few years ago I was doing well over 20k fast miles a year on an R6 whilst at the same time being marathon fit. I wouldn't have wanted to do LEJOG in half a day then and I'm certain I probably couldn't do it at all now, despite still being marathon fit (but far less bike fit).
If everyone is as good as they sound on here though, sounds like some of you guys are bang on target to nail a new record on four wheels and two!
Av185. Pick a trackday and I’ll meet you there in one of my lowly fleet. It’d be great to learn some new lines.
Alternatively come to Milan for some custard and a drive in this red barge....sorry Birds is a bit thin on the ground here
Yes it’s sideways, I thought you’d like to see how that looked old chap
Alternatively come to Milan for some custard and a drive in this red barge....sorry Birds is a bit thin on the ground here
Yes it’s sideways, I thought you’d like to see how that looked old chap
yonex said:
Av185. Pick a trackday and I’ll meet you there in one of my lowly fleet. It’d be great to learn some new lines.
Alternatively come to Milan for some custard and a drive in this red barge....sorry Birds is a bit thin on the ground here
Yes it’s sideways, I thought you’d like to see how that looked old chap
He’s gone again, it’s amazing how he disappears whenever he gets called out to back up his claims, maybe his mum has just made his tea, or is it bedtime?Alternatively come to Milan for some custard and a drive in this red barge....sorry Birds is a bit thin on the ground here
Yes it’s sideways, I thought you’d like to see how that looked old chap
Nice car, but I’m sure av185 or browngt3 will be along soon to tell you that it’s a heavy old lump amd slow, they did that about a Murcielago a while back.
dvshannow said:
What a long winded way to be completely wrong...when both vehicles are capable of 150mph the better driver will always win... so all 150mph vehicles are identical??
You seem to saying then >150mph car = >150mph bikes which is pretty much every sports car and sports bike on sale today.
What matters here is with similar skills which is faster. A car will go through twisties faster a bike will leave most cars behind in between twisties.
A v narrow road favours the bike
A bumpy road maybe favours bike
Wet favours car
So its conclusive that bikes are not faster than cars per above
have you ridden a sports bike on the road ? i was hoping the reference to 150 plus vehicle would be taken in the context of vehicle of a sporting nature. a car won't do anything without a human driving it. when it comes to wet roads you would be surprised how good modern(ish it's been a while) bike tyres are.several years ago the yellow gt3 driver i passed on a long left hand bend on the way to the kyle of lochalsh with rain bouncing off the road certainly was. he might not have been trying but i would suggest the fact he was north of 100mph would suggest otherwise. You seem to saying then >150mph car = >150mph bikes which is pretty much every sports car and sports bike on sale today.
What matters here is with similar skills which is faster. A car will go through twisties faster a bike will leave most cars behind in between twisties.
A v narrow road favours the bike
A bumpy road maybe favours bike
Wet favours car
So its conclusive that bikes are not faster than cars per above
really tight twisties like the glenfarg road the car will be right there when driven well. faster flowing stuff is where the bike excels imo, apex speeds of 60 to 70 mph plus. the more time spent on the brakes the closer the gap gets. i'm not plucking all this out of thin air, it is personal experience. your experience may differ but that is mine.
ps you were right about long winded, legzr1 reply was far more succinct.
Edited by wc98 on Wednesday 30th May 19:17
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