Cars taking on bikes (again)
Discussion
saaby93 said:
Has this been posted yet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
Yeshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Just awful.
ZX10R NIN said:
OP was talking about road riding everyone knows race cars beat race bikes on a track.
A more interesting question is what car do you have to buy to beat a showroom spec 6-700cc sportsbike?
So the riffraff that want to go fast, will have to buy bikes. I'm ok with that.A more interesting question is what car do you have to buy to beat a showroom spec 6-700cc sportsbike?
Should help to keep their numbers down.
Berkshire bred said:
Pointless topic really. 90% of the time a bike is quicker with a competent rider, but try picking up a Chinese on your way home on your litre sports bike. Horses for courses.
I have played with small bikes around b roads and country lanes in a 110 hp standard mx5 and the bike couldn't pull away or stay with me when i was in front. Obviously on a faster straighter road the bike has the advantage.
Plus in a car you're a lot less likely to become roadkill
In the summer you do sometimes see bikers laden with camping equipment, presumably on the way to a show/track weekend. I have played with small bikes around b roads and country lanes in a 110 hp standard mx5 and the bike couldn't pull away or stay with me when i was in front. Obviously on a faster straighter road the bike has the advantage.
Plus in a car you're a lot less likely to become roadkill
But invariably, they are riding incredibly slowly on a motorway , presumably dilute to the imbalance of all the gear.
Do many cyclist travel like that to Stelvio type trips?
ZX10R NIN said:
I can understand you thinking the (down an A/B Road) car will make up any deficit in the braking zone & through the corners, while that maybe true for some corners the bike will counter with acceleration the Turbo S can't match, there'll also be corners where the bike won't be braking at all & the car will have to be scrubbing speed.
The truth is both are fun but road bikes trounce road cars unless you have a few miles of motorway to real the bike back in.
I'm not sure I agree. I believe a Turbo S would be able to sustain a higher average speed in any conditions, cross country, than a litre sports bike. The truth is both are fun but road bikes trounce road cars unless you have a few miles of motorway to real the bike back in.
i like the way when things are going well "before silly speeds are reached"both parties give a nod to each other............anybody had it the other way where youve been a dick while dicing with your new found "buddy", cocked it up andfound yourself in a hedge or dtich thinking youve been a right twonk?
Did youre new bro turnaround and see if you was ok? or vice versa? or even if you showed him or her your driving prowess did they lose their rag with you and it all turned a bit "fackin shaking"?
Did youre new bro turnaround and see if you was ok? or vice versa? or even if you showed him or her your driving prowess did they lose their rag with you and it all turned a bit "fackin shaking"?
Rawwr said:
I'm not sure I agree. I believe a Turbo S would be able to sustain a higher average speed in any conditions, cross country, than a litre sports bike.
Whilst the Turbo S would kill most bikes on the road it is nevertheless quite a heavy car. Non track focused non Porsche GT car suspension and set up always shows in premature wear to tyres and brakes etc if this car is used extensively on track at 100% but it would be virtually impossible to get anywhere near these limits on a public road. Anyone wanting the ultimate of ultimates road slaying weapon could of course always wait for the rumoured road going 911 RSR complete with mental aero just spotted testing:
mac96 said:
saaby93 said:
Has this been posted yet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
Yeshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Just awful.
blade7 said:
av185 said:
Whilst the Turbo S would kill most bikes on the road it is nevertheless quite a heavy car.
Could a Turbo S lap quicker around the Isle of Man than Mark Higgins Subaru? ToothbrushMan said:
i like the way when things are going well "before silly speeds are reached"both parties give a nod to each other............anybody had it the other way where youve been a dick while dicing with your new found "buddy", cocked it up andfound yourself in a hedge or dtich thinking youve been a right twonk?
Did youre new bro turnaround and see if you was ok? or vice versa? or even if you showed him or her your driving prowess did they lose their rag with you and it all turned a bit "fackin shaking"?
If i have had a play with a car or bike I will either flash or quick blink of the hazards or friendly wave thumbs up if apropriate. I have before pulled along side at lights and had a brief chat. Most people who are willing to play and not just be a knob are willing to take victory/defeat in good grace in my experience.Did youre new bro turnaround and see if you was ok? or vice versa? or even if you showed him or her your driving prowess did they lose their rag with you and it all turned a bit "fackin shaking"?
Always nice to find a reasonably sensible person who is up for a bit of fun doesnt matter what car they have.
Tickle said:
mac96 said:
saaby93 said:
Has this been posted yet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
Yeshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Just awful.
there are 2 parts to this debate (which is just for fun) the first is obviously which is faster down a given piece of road, car or bike, well simply put (assuming we are talking about late model 1000cc sports bikes) it's always going to be the bike and before all the detractors start talking about GT3s and any number of track focused hand built exotica please remember we are talking about bog stock litre sport bikes here, also consider costs, someone in a previous post asked how much do you have to spend to comfortably best a 600-700cc bike the answer is a hell of a lot and that's talking about a mid range 600cc like an R6 which are incredibly common and very cheap, I have a customers R6 in my garage at the moment which cost £1500 and it will still have 99% of it's original performance, start looking at litre bikes and one of the best available is the BMW S1000RR which can be had used from around £6K, that's a 195hp machine capable of 190+ MPH, 9.5 sec 1/4 mile, and you can buy one for around £6K now that's value for money, not everyone as the best part of £1/4 million to spend on a low level exotic which will still have inferior performance.
The second part of this debate is how far cars have come compared with bikes over say the last 20 yrs and the answer to this is a long way, I think cars have narrowed the gap substantially, especially top end hot hatches (Golf R's and the like) are now comparable with older 'sports cars' I've had both a TVR Griff 500 and a 996 S4 and my current Golf would get the better of both (easily) mind you I still miss the big gruff Griff !! Move on to todays bikes and the gap isn't as pronounced compared to there predecessors , a K2 GIXER 1000 isn't that much slower than a new Panigale or R1, at the current rate of progress I think cars will eventually overtake bikes, but that time hasn't arrived yet and long may it remain so.
The second part of this debate is how far cars have come compared with bikes over say the last 20 yrs and the answer to this is a long way, I think cars have narrowed the gap substantially, especially top end hot hatches (Golf R's and the like) are now comparable with older 'sports cars' I've had both a TVR Griff 500 and a 996 S4 and my current Golf would get the better of both (easily) mind you I still miss the big gruff Griff !! Move on to todays bikes and the gap isn't as pronounced compared to there predecessors , a K2 GIXER 1000 isn't that much slower than a new Panigale or R1, at the current rate of progress I think cars will eventually overtake bikes, but that time hasn't arrived yet and long may it remain so.
Berkshire bred said:
Pointless topic really. 90% of the time a bike is quicker with a competent rider, but try picking up a Chinese on your way home on your litre sports bike. Horses for courses.
You are aware most takeaways deliver, or someone like deliveroo will. And most bikers also have cars, I know I do. Or some have luggage, my commuter has around 100L (equivalent to a 20kg check in case at the airport)Berkshire bred said:
I have played with small bikes around b roads and country lanes in a 110 hp standard mx5 and the bike couldn't pull away or stay with me when i was in front. Obviously on a faster straighter road the bike has the advantage.
They weren't trying. Cars always play with bikes, and it tends to get boring. I tend to only play with proper cars (If) I can be arsed, I generally leave that for trackdays. A snotty mx5 will not keep up with a 250cc, let along anything bigger. Even my commuter/sports tourer does 0-60 in 2.9, and 0-100 in 5.5 secs. The other bikes, umm, that would be a no.Berkshire bred said:
Plus in a car you're a lot less likely to become roadkill
Not in a mx5 your not. Also, think of your dignity (unless) you're a hairdresser!av185 said:
blade7 said:
av185 said:
Whilst the Turbo S would kill most bikes on the road it is nevertheless quite a heavy car.
Could a Turbo S lap quicker around the Isle of Man than Mark Higgins Subaru? Rawwr said:
ZX10R NIN said:
I can understand you thinking the (down an A/B Road) car will make up any deficit in the braking zone & through the corners, while that maybe true for some corners the bike will counter with acceleration the Turbo S can't match, there'll also be corners where the bike won't be braking at all & the car will have to be scrubbing speed.
The truth is both are fun but road bikes trounce road cars unless you have a few miles of motorway to real the bike back in.
I'm not sure I agree. I believe a Turbo S would be able to sustain a higher average speed in any conditions, cross country, than a litre sports bike. The truth is both are fun but road bikes trounce road cars unless you have a few miles of motorway to real the bike back in.
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