Cars taking on bikes (again)
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king old 600 sports bike if an A45 is keeping up with it...! Fastdruid said:
On a semi-serious note it does annoy me when slow riders filter to the front of a queue. No bike (apart from mopeds) should ever be beaten off the line by a Mondeo estate yet it is a common occurrence.
IMO if you're going to filter to the front you should consider it pole position in the TL GP and launch appropriately.
110% agreement here - I used to bike in and out of London every day and on a green light I would go for it. That was in the days people stopped at red lights of course but there was still time to do sufficient life-savers that I never found myself on the receiving end of a t-bone or side-swipe. IMO if you're going to filter to the front you should consider it pole position in the TL GP and launch appropriately.
Any biker who finds themselves with a bland estate car (mine was a Vectra) accelerating alongside/past them due to filtering followed by inadequate wrist-twisting should have all categories of licence struck from their record except for 50cc moped. And the moped has to be pink, with "My Little Pony" graphics on their helmet.
Worse punishments need to be developed for the special sort of muppet who filters to the front on a roundabout, then decides he is turning left from the middle of two lanes even though the cars in the left lane are going straight.
I’ve got a Golf R that’s got a tuning box on it. I’ve had 600cc bikes up to about 70 where I’ve then backed off. Lots of fun to be had on the roads! I can also make the car make quite a loud bang which helps to encourage the Dominos driver to either back off, overtake or just to stop being 5cm off my rear off side quarter.
Most annoying thing is when bikes filter down to the front of traffic and then don’t move away faster than I could. Had one the other night who was dawdling on the white line between 2 lanes at like 8mph with nothing in either lane. I just undertook and off I went. Soon woke him up and he caught up and went on to do silly speeds no doubt to teach me a lesson.
I’ve never actually had a chance to have a play with a bike on a twisty road. Having seen how a friend drives his Golf I know it could probably keep up with a well ridden bike but I doubt my skills are up to the challenge. More through fear of loosing my license.
Anything 1L isn’t even worth trying as it’ll just bugger off in anything but rain.
Most annoying thing is when bikes filter down to the front of traffic and then don’t move away faster than I could. Had one the other night who was dawdling on the white line between 2 lanes at like 8mph with nothing in either lane. I just undertook and off I went. Soon woke him up and he caught up and went on to do silly speeds no doubt to teach me a lesson.
I’ve never actually had a chance to have a play with a bike on a twisty road. Having seen how a friend drives his Golf I know it could probably keep up with a well ridden bike but I doubt my skills are up to the challenge. More through fear of loosing my license.
Anything 1L isn’t even worth trying as it’ll just bugger off in anything but rain.
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 24th April 01:24
STe_rsv4 said:
Any other cool story bra from this weekend?
Yup, ''seven type'' car caught out in the wet so cant put the power down properly because of cold track type tyres getting followed by the usual suspects in ''leased type tin tops'' changing their route to sit on the bumper.... it's always tempting to lead them into a roundabout at a speed they wont make.budd said:
And I have to say that M4 is bloody fast only lacking down long ish straights when the bikes could get into their stride (instant ban and probably loss of liberty speeds) without having to brake for an up and coming corner but through the corners and on shorter straights the BM was pretty much a match for the bikes, and bare in mind the HP4s have around 200hp and weight 180kg so these this are among the fastest bikes on the planet, the biggest advantage the car as is under braking even with Brembo brakes, race pads and super sticky trackday rubber the bike as no chance compared to the cars big rotors and massive rubber foot print. Where the bikes became bucking animals over the humps and crests the car was planted and stable
You can't have been trying too hard.......On most challenging roads the M4 is anything but planted and stable. The bloated and lardy 1595 kg M4 is severely compromised by its flawed and inert handling making the car a major handful on challenging roads and particularly so in the wet .......as further confirmed by the Evo magazine test 2017.In contrast, a properly driven car such as a certain 911s...GT3, RS, GT2 even a heavier and non track focused and compromised Turbo S kills most faster bikes on the majority of UK roads dry or wet all other things being equal.
Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th April 05:18
budd said:
generally speaking most cars won't hold a candle to a well ridden sports bike especially on the DC, damp twisty B roads are another matter, bikes are very difficult to control on a typical British back road, add some road grime/damp patches/gravel on apexes etc and it all comes down to the rider if he's any good then the bike will take some beating if not it's easy to come a cropper. As an example me and a group of pals have regular Sunday morning blasts on a selection of 1000cc sports bike ranging from an aging Aprilia RSV 1000r to a couple of all singing all dancing BMW S1000RR s (HP4 versions no less) with a couple of GIXER 1000s and a newish blade thrown in for good measure, so all pretty capable bikes with equally experienced (mature) riders, we are all the wrong side of 50 so the maturity is a moot point we should know better really, anyway the son of one of our posse as just bought a BMW M4 ('65 plate IIRC) and he decided to join us on our Sunday run out. And I have to say that M4 is bloody fast only lacking down long ish straights when the bikes could get into their stride (instant ban and probably loss of liberty speeds) without having to brake for an up and coming corner but through the corners and on shorter straights the BM was pretty much a match for the bikes, and bare in mind the HP4s have around 200hp and weight 180kg so these this are among the fastest bikes on the planet, the biggest advantage the car as is under braking even with Brembo brakes, race pads and super sticky trackday rubber the bike as no chance compared to the cars big rotors and massive rubber foot print. Where the bikes became bucking animals over the humps and crests the car was planted and stable, mind you once on a clear DC the bikes (even the 17 yr old Aprilia) simply leave the car for dead, so while it's an interesting debate ultimately I think the bikes win but it closer then you'd think and I know from experience bloody hard work to ride a big powerful bike fast enough to stay in front.
I think In general a bike probably wins but it also has its advantages in general day to day like the ability to be able to filter through and around traffic where as a car would have to hold back and also be able to fit into small spaces between cars from overtaking. DC wise most driving isn’t big stretches of DC and in most cases a good car and half decent driver can keep with a bike. I have had a run in with a 600 behind me when I overtook a car before twisities and he decided to follow me.... needless to say he wasn’t seen again once he realised he couldn’t keep up and held back but in a straight he would of ‘won’. Anyone can drive fast in a straight line, around the bends is where it mattersI've done litre bikes and owned a couple of Caterhams. One of which was 400bhp. On the right road (traffic aside) the Caterham would leave the bike fairly easily. Bikes have one Greta strength, acceleration. Everything else they do pretty poorly ( corner, change direction,stop etc) It's also one of motoring's longest running arguments.
ashleyman said:
I’ve got a Golf R that’s got a tuning box on it. I’ve had 600cc bikes up to about 70 where I’ve then backed off. Lots of fun to be had on the roads! I can also make the car make quite a loud bang which helps to encourage the Dominos driver to either back off, overtake or just to stop being 5cm off my rear off side quarter.
Most annoying thing is when bikes filter down to the front of traffic and then don’t move away faster than I could. Had one the other night who was dawdling on the white line between 2 lanes at like 8mph with nothing in either lane. I just undertook and off I went. Soon woke him up and he caught up and went on to do silly speeds no doubt to teach me a lesson.
I’ve never actually had a chance to have a play with a bike on a twisty road. Having seen how a friend drives his Golf I know it could probably keep up with a well ridden bike but I doubt my skills are up to the challenge. More through fear of loosing my license.
Anything 1L isn’t even worth trying as it’ll just bugger off in anything but rain.
A golf R being standard would keep up with a bike in the twisties. I doubt the biker was teaching you a lesson, at the end of the day anyone can go fast in a straight line, you don’t need skill so I find it amusing how people whether car or bike won’t keep up around the bends and you clearly back off and then they either continue to stay up your arse or still try and overtake..... it makes no sense at all, just shows a little embarrassment. Most annoying thing is when bikes filter down to the front of traffic and then don’t move away faster than I could. Had one the other night who was dawdling on the white line between 2 lanes at like 8mph with nothing in either lane. I just undertook and off I went. Soon woke him up and he caught up and went on to do silly speeds no doubt to teach me a lesson.
I’ve never actually had a chance to have a play with a bike on a twisty road. Having seen how a friend drives his Golf I know it could probably keep up with a well ridden bike but I doubt my skills are up to the challenge. More through fear of loosing my license.
Anything 1L isn’t even worth trying as it’ll just bugger off in anything but rain.
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 24th April 01:24
You can't have been trying too hard.......On most challenging roads the M4 is anything but planted and stable. The bloated and lardy 1595 kg M4 is severely compromised by its flawed and inert handling making the car a major handful on challenging roads and particularly so in the wet .......as further confirmed by the Evo magazine test 2017.
In contrast, a properly driven car such as a certain 911s...GT3, RS, GT2 even a heavier and non track focused and compromised Turbo S kills most faster bikes on the majority of UK roads dry or wet all other things being equal.
Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th April 05:18
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Well either way it kept up with the bikes.
It’s not that lardy of a car considering it’s size and engine etc that.
Slightly different angle, .....anyone see the guy Martin ch4 program of bike vs car? It was quite biased and unfair as they picked the cream of the crop, an F1 car vs a basically standard road bike ( guy Martin doesn’t change too much from standard road bikes reading his autobiography) when they should of picked a moto gp bike which is the equivalent. If they had the moto gp bike it would of beat the f1 in a straight line anyway, even tho the f1 only had a little burst once upto speed. Yes it wouldn’t beat it around the corners but then they have been designed for that. Braking test I don’t know but the bike would be better than the road due to the carbon brakes.
Danxr46 said:
Slightly different angle, .....anyone see the guy Martin ch4 program of bike vs car? It was quite biased and unfair as they picked the cream of the crop, an F1 car vs a basically standard road bike ( guy Martin doesn’t change too much from standard road bikes reading his autobiography) when they should of picked a moto gp bike which is the equivalent. If they had the moto gp bike it would of beat the f1 in a straight line anyway, even tho the f1 only had a little burst once upto speed. Yes it wouldn’t beat it around the corners but then they have been designed for that. Braking test I don’t know but the bike would be better than the road due to the carbon brakes.
Are there any numbers on how fast a MotoGP bike is off the line? Power-weight?Modern F1 cars are 1000hp and 728kg ready to rock, with hot slicks they launch well, around 2.5s 0-60, 4s 0-100.
Not trying to argue, just an interesting comparison.
On a fairly straight road, anything less than a hyper car will not keep up with a litre super bike. If you think different then you are kidding yourselves.
I had a bit of fun over the mountain on the TT circuit last year. Me on my lardy but mildly tuned ZZR and a bloke in a GT3. I could keep up ok but not overtake as it would have resulted in almost certain death. If it had been raining I wouldn’t even have tried.
I also have an 800hp car which will keep up with super bikes on the straight but 0-100mph the bike will have the advantage.
As above, they are different types of machine and a lot comes down to how mad/talented the diriver or rider is.
One thing I do know is a leased shopping trolley like the Golf R or A45 AMG has average performance at best, same with the M4.
I had a bit of fun over the mountain on the TT circuit last year. Me on my lardy but mildly tuned ZZR and a bloke in a GT3. I could keep up ok but not overtake as it would have resulted in almost certain death. If it had been raining I wouldn’t even have tried.
I also have an 800hp car which will keep up with super bikes on the straight but 0-100mph the bike will have the advantage.
As above, they are different types of machine and a lot comes down to how mad/talented the diriver or rider is.
One thing I do know is a leased shopping trolley like the Golf R or A45 AMG has average performance at best, same with the M4.
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