Cars taking on bikes (again)
Discussion
Jammez said:
Cars can scrub off speed so much better and remain so much more stable in those kind of situations so in my experience as a reasonable driver & rider I always find myself more at ease in the car going quick. There's just too much to loose on the road on the bike.
Which is what I enjoy about bikes. They’re intense and demanding... fast ones even more so. They are the opposite to the type of ‘easy to go fast in’ cars we often discuss on here.There are very few road riders you'll encounter who can actually ride properly fast. You'll get a few with natural talent or maybe those that race at club level or above and also ride on the road.
But many, especially on a sunny day, are just slightly plump middle aged dad's who don't have the skill to push a 500cc commuter bike to its limits, let alone the brand new litre sports bike they just had to buy because their mates have one.
But many, especially on a sunny day, are just slightly plump middle aged dad's who don't have the skill to push a 500cc commuter bike to its limits, let alone the brand new litre sports bike they just had to buy because their mates have one.
av185 said:
You can't have been trying too hard.......On most challenging roads the M4 is anything but planted and stable. The bloated and lardy 1595 kg M4 is severely compromised by its flawed and inert handling making the car a major handful on challenging roads and particularly so in the wet .......as further confirmed by the Evo magazine test 2017.
Have you actually been in one or just spewing something you have read?Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th April 05:18
My best mate has an M4 Comp and we had a whale of a time thrashing it around Wales. It never felt anything less than thoroughly composed and nailed down even in the damp over the Black Mountain pass. And I'm talking at speeds that may have been a bit over optimum safety.
I would love to go along on some proper magazine road tests to see how they actually drive as they seem to always be able to tell you all about how the car oversteers, understeers blah blah at the limit. To get a modern car at those limits you have to be driving so fast its really dangerous.
As for cars vs bikes in general its mostly to do with the driver / rider. I know I would be quicker in a Toyota Aygo than I would on an R1 in most situations.
Its rare to find a biker that can ride to a decent level on the road. At a guess I would say most enthusiastic car drivers will get to about 80% of the cars potential (decreasing proportionally with how fast the car is) and bikers probably only about 50-60%
I think this guy represents most bikers lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CV0e5Sooo
0ddball said:
There are very few road riders you'll encounter who can actually ride properly fast. You'll get a few with natural talent or maybe those that race at club level or above and also ride on the road.
But many, especially on a sunny day, are just slightly plump middle aged dad's who don't have the skill to push a 500cc commuter bike to its limits, let alone the brand new litre sports bike they just had to buy because their mates have one.
You're right - it takes considerably more skill to ride a bike (fast in bends) than it does to drive a car But many, especially on a sunny day, are just slightly plump middle aged dad's who don't have the skill to push a 500cc commuter bike to its limits, let alone the brand new litre sports bike they just had to buy because their mates have one.
J4CKO said:
I love bikes but they are essentially useless for anything other than going fast and delivering Pizza, they accelerate very quickly due to low weight vs the power they have, they are low weight because you cant carry much, you get wet if it rains and you have to dress up in leather and wear a massive hat in a vain attempt at protecting yourself in case you fall off it, as, you see it only has two wheels so it cant stand up on its own, and bikers always fall off, not always their fault but all the ones I know have had at least one off, one got knocked off and his boot came off, he looked down and realise his foot was still in it which, it has to be said, put me off a bit.
So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now p
s off as I dont want you on my conscience.
dont disagree with a lot of the stuff above about bikes, but mine put on 25k miles over the last 18 months and was the perfect commuting vehicle.So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now p
s off as I dont want you on my conscience.keirik said:
J4CKO said:
I love bikes but they are essentially useless for anything other than going fast and delivering Pizza, they accelerate very quickly due to low weight vs the power they have, they are low weight because you cant carry much, you get wet if it rains and you have to dress up in leather and wear a massive hat in a vain attempt at protecting yourself in case you fall off it, as, you see it only has two wheels so it cant stand up on its own, and bikers always fall off, not always their fault but all the ones I know have had at least one off, one got knocked off and his boot came off, he looked down and realise his foot was still in it which, it has to be said, put me off a bit.
So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now ps off as I dont want you on my conscience.
dont disagree with a lot of the stuff above about bikes, but mine put on 25k miles over the last 18 months and was the perfect commuting vehicle.So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now p
s off as I dont want you on my conscience.Krikkit said:
Danxr46 said:
Slightly different angle, .....anyone see the guy Martin ch4 program of bike vs car? It was quite biased and unfair as they picked the cream of the crop, an F1 car vs a basically standard road bike ( guy Martin doesn’t change too much from standard road bikes reading his autobiography) when they should of picked a moto gp bike which is the equivalent. If they had the moto gp bike it would of beat the f1 in a straight line anyway, even tho the f1 only had a little burst once upto speed. Yes it wouldn’t beat it around the corners but then they have been designed for that. Braking test I don’t know but the bike would be better than the road due to the carbon brakes.
Are there any numbers on how fast a MotoGP bike is off the line? Power-weight?Modern F1 cars are 1000hp and 728kg ready to rock, with hot slicks they launch well, around 2.5s 0-60, 4s 0-100.
Not trying to argue, just an interesting comparison.
Acceleration wise they get to around 150mph in 6 ish secs from a standing start replay I’d seen on YouTube. There is a video which shows both an F1 car and moto gp bike entering the last corner onto Nigella straight with the car entering a fair bit higher but at the end the moto gp bike a fair bit more.
Oh, and cheese. Yep definitely cheese.RB Will said:
av185 said:
You can't have been trying too hard.......On most challenging roads the M4 is anything but planted and stable. The bloated and lardy 1595 kg M4 is severely compromised by its flawed and inert handling making the car a major handful on challenging roads and particularly so in the wet .......as further confirmed by the Evo magazine test 2017.
Have you actually been in one or just spewing something you have read?Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th April 05:18
My best mate has an M4 Comp and we had a whale of a time thrashing it around Wales. It never felt anything less than thoroughly composed and nailed down even in the damp over the Black Mountain pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CV0e5Sooo
M4 reasonably quick in a straight line on dry roads but its in the wet and corners where things go downhill. The table I posted on the previous page shows how far down the car is 8 secs and 14 secs off the pace relative to the quicker stuff. An eternity.
The other aspect to this is the fun factor. Seriously lost with the latest model after the E90 92 M3 with its perfect hydraulic steering and screaming v8 together with far fewer electronic aids flattering the average driver keeps fun factor and driving involvement and attention up with the older car which in contrast is totally lost on the diluted turboed epas newer models.
Agree what you say about BABs. I keep well away especially from the once on a pleasant Sunday afternoon bikers with their shiny new leathers and grossly excessive machines way too fast for their ability.
What could possibly go wrong on a public road especially with a few of their 'mates' to impress in the mix lol.
:Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th April 13:52
donkmeister said:
Fastdruid said:
On a semi-serious note it does annoy me when slow riders filter to the front of a queue. No bike (apart from mopeds) should ever be beaten off the line by a Mondeo estate yet it is a common occurrence.
IMO if you're going to filter to the front you should consider it pole position in the TL GP and launch appropriately.
110% agreement here - I used to bike in and out of London every day and on a green light I would go for it. That was in the days people stopped at red lights of course but there was still time to do sufficient life-savers that I never found myself on the receiving end of a t-bone or side-swipe. IMO if you're going to filter to the front you should consider it pole position in the TL GP and launch appropriately.
Any biker who finds themselves with a bland estate car (mine was a Vectra) accelerating alongside/past them due to filtering followed by inadequate wrist-twisting should have all categories of licence struck from their record except for 50cc moped. And the moped has to be pink, with "My Little Pony" graphics on their helmet.
Worse punishments need to be developed for the special sort of muppet who filters to the front on a roundabout, then decides he is turning left from the middle of two lanes even though the cars in the left lane are going straight.
keirik said:
J4CKO said:
I love bikes but they are essentially useless for anything other than going fast and delivering Pizza, they accelerate very quickly due to low weight vs the power they have, they are low weight because you cant carry much, you get wet if it rains and you have to dress up in leather and wear a massive hat in a vain attempt at protecting yourself in case you fall off it, as, you see it only has two wheels so it cant stand up on its own, and bikers always fall off, not always their fault but all the ones I know have had at least one off, one got knocked off and his boot came off, he looked down and realise his foot was still in it which, it has to be said, put me off a bit.
So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now ps off as I dont want you on my conscience.
dont disagree with a lot of the stuff above about bikes, but mine put on 25k miles over the last 18 months and was the perfect commuting vehicle.So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now p
s off as I dont want you on my conscience.Pothole said:
keirik said:
J4CKO said:
I love bikes but they are essentially useless for anything other than going fast and delivering Pizza, they accelerate very quickly due to low weight vs the power they have, they are low weight because you cant carry much, you get wet if it rains and you have to dress up in leather and wear a massive hat in a vain attempt at protecting yourself in case you fall off it, as, you see it only has two wheels so it cant stand up on its own, and bikers always fall off, not always their fault but all the ones I know have had at least one off, one got knocked off and his boot came off, he looked down and realise his foot was still in it which, it has to be said, put me off a bit.
So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now ps off as I dont want you on my conscience.
dont disagree with a lot of the stuff above about bikes, but mine put on 25k miles over the last 18 months and was the perfect commuting vehicle.So, most bikes are tucked up in the garage on a trickle charger most of the year, come a bank holiday, then they all appear going for a ride out, mixing it with all the BH traffic, they then arrive, in their millions at one of their spawning grounds like Matlock, they park up and strut round, get a Bacon Butty, stand round and talk about bikes, then get back on and ride back, which is great but generally they are cock all use for anything else, most of the year unless you are a lunatic who likes getting wet and dicing with death and getting mangled every day.
As transport, they work for a few hardy souls, but lets have it right, most put on less than a thousand miles a year, all the bikers I know that commuted on them admit defeat and get a car, realistically most sports bikes at least are more akin to a piece of sports equipment than daily transport, owning one more lifestyle choice than a necessity in most cases. Always find it amusing how many bikers feel the need to let you know they are one when its tucked up for 8 months with merchandise or an Email Address like NinjaDave750@hotmail.com. They will tell you it will out accelerate a Lamborghini, but which would they rather have, Lambo or a ten year old Hayabusa ?
Like I said, love bikes and know loads of bikers but come on, very, very, terrifyingly fast, but largely not much use for most people, most of the time.
They always if you are in anything remotely interesting seem to want to point out how slow your car is, had an R6 rider determined to show how slow my 350Z was, i was kind of aware of its depleted uranium construction and moderately powerful NA V6 engine, he or shee nearly got greased on a roundabout as they were too busy concentrating on me, yes its faster, well done but I am having fun anyway, now p
s off as I dont want you on my conscience.I know why you love them, nothing quite like it and my post is partially a little bit of sour grapes because I havent got one, but also it is kind of correct, at least in part.
swerni said:
normalbloke said:
I've done litre bikes and owned a couple of Caterhams. One of which was 400bhp. On the right road (traffic aside) the Caterham would leave the bike fairly easily. Bikes have one Greta strength, acceleration. Everything else they do pretty poorly ( corner, change direction,stop etc) It's also one of motoring's longest running arguments.
The 620R was only 311bhp.Do you mean 400bhp / ton?
ashleyman said:
I’ve got a Golf R that’s got a tuning box on it. I’ve had 600cc bikes up to about 70 where I’ve then backed off. Lots of fun to be had on the roads! I can also make the car make quite a loud bang which helps to encourage the Dominos driver to either back off, overtake or just to stop being 5cm off my rear off side quarter.
Most annoying thing is when bikes filter down to the front of traffic and then don’t move away faster than I could. Had one the other night who was dawdling on the white line between 2 lanes at like 8mph with nothing in either lane. I just undertook and off I went. Soon woke him up and he caught up and went on to do silly speeds no doubt to teach me a lesson.
I’ve never actually had a chance to have a play with a bike on a twisty road. Having seen how a friend drives his Golf I know it could probably keep up with a well ridden bike but I doubt my skills are up to the challenge. More through fear of loosing my license.
Anything 1L isn’t even worth trying as it’ll just bugger off in anything but rain.
The difference between a modern 600 and a 1000 to 70/80mph is pretty minimal, most will run 3.1 or even into the 2s to 60 if well launched. Golf R with a tuning box, sure very fast compared to most cars (probably low 4s to 60) but beating a properly launched 600, nope. The real difference between 1k and 600 shows up from 70+ roll ons. Even my old Honda Hornet could ring out a sub 12s 1/4 mile, 60 in under 4 which I doubt a Golf R with box would match. That is "if" I got a good launch. Having been in a Golf R those things could just roll out consistent 4s 60s all day long.Most annoying thing is when bikes filter down to the front of traffic and then don’t move away faster than I could. Had one the other night who was dawdling on the white line between 2 lanes at like 8mph with nothing in either lane. I just undertook and off I went. Soon woke him up and he caught up and went on to do silly speeds no doubt to teach me a lesson.
I’ve never actually had a chance to have a play with a bike on a twisty road. Having seen how a friend drives his Golf I know it could probably keep up with a well ridden bike but I doubt my skills are up to the challenge. More through fear of loosing my license.
Anything 1L isn’t even worth trying as it’ll just bugger off in anything but rain.
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 24th April 01:24
Bikes haven't really come along way I don't think... at least in terms of outright acceleration... I bought a ZX10 in 1989 which according to the book was 0-60 in 3, 0-100 in six, and 0-100-0 in ten seconds... It was though the fastest prod bike that MCN had tested at the time... 168 top end, although IIRC the ZZR topped 170 just a few short years later... cars on the other hand have comparatively come a looong way in terms of straight line acceleration..
Rawwr said:
I ride and drive for me, not to show anyone else how slow or fast I am on a bike or in a car. I hate having anyone behind me, whether it's another bike or a car, I just pull over all let them get on with it. Some of the comments and attitudes on this thread are a little alarming.
100% agree on both points. Drive and ride for myself, at my pace, not to impress anyone (in fact, the quieter and less people around the better).phil4 said:
wormus said:
Then again.....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kHbgoT4Kj3c
Then again? So it outdid the rather old McClaren (by 30mph), and the Veyron (by 14mph)... and was finally beaten by 4mph by a tuned and mod'd 1350bhp GTR.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kHbgoT4Kj3c
It pretty much supports the idea that for a big sports bike you'll need something pretty exotic.
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-SUZUKI-GSXR1000-K4-B...
Hungrymc said:
Rawwr said:
I ride and drive for me, not to show anyone else how slow or fast I am on a bike or in a car. I hate having anyone behind me, whether it's another bike or a car, I just pull over all let them get on with it. Some of the comments and attitudes on this thread are a little alarming.
100% agree on both points. Drive and ride for myself, at my pace, not to impress anyone (in fact, the quieter and less people around the better).Not sure when it happened, certainly not overnight but there is a marked step change in drivers qnd overall attitude to driving etc. It is why the rise of the dash cam has been so fast. That is a subject all for its own.
To bring the subject back to the OP, i've certainly never even had a scare on any of the litre bikes ive owned. 600s yes a few cars have been 'surprisingly' quicker than I thought but litre bike no chance.
To get 0-100 in 5.0-6.0 and 60-100 in 2-3 seconds is premier league stuff. No performance saloon car is getting close to that. Nkt even a remapped Golf R which would outdrag a Chiron being towed by a eurofighter.
Bikes achilles heel in pure acceleration has always been the launch, its simple physics. However rolling and a good rider (not even that tbh) and a QS its 1-0 bike.
Bikes are as practical as you want. Using their lack of carrying ability or weather protection is a moot point. Maybe the rider prefers being home an hour earlier playing with his kids? Very easy to bend either way to suit any argument...
Edited by RemyMartin81D on Tuesday 24th April 17:59
ChilliWhizz said:
Bikes haven't really come along way I don't think... at least in terms of outright acceleration... I bought a ZX10 in 1989 which according to the book was 0-60 in 3, 0-100 in six, and 0-100-0 in ten seconds... It was though the fastest prod bike that MCN had tested at the time... 168 top end, although IIRC the ZZR topped 170 just a few short years later...
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