RE: PH Origins: Electronic parking brakes
Discussion
Mr2Mike said:
3795mpower said:
I also like the finesse of clutch vs handbrake when it comes to manual hill starts.
And for making rapid changes of direction 
Where you’d normally hold the handbrake on until the engine was pulling against it for a hill start as soon as you pressed the accelerator the handbrake would release and it would roll back.
So ended up needing an extra leg so I could find the clutch biting point while holding the car on the foot brake.
Bloody useless.
At least now they’ve improved the technology and my Golf seems like it would cope.
3795mpower said:
I also like the finesse of clutch vs handbrake when it comes to manual hill starts.
Really? 
Hill starts are super easy with an EPB as it releases itself. If you somehow mess it up and there's potential for the car to roll back, it applies itself again automatically
I now find driving a manual car with a conventional handbrake quite tedious and archaic feeling
My experience with an electronic handbrake. Citroen Grand Picasso, so not a famously reliable car for electronics...
Handbrake would engage when engine turned off, or when button was pressed.
Handbrake would disengage when button pressed, or if the rear wheels experienced torque. This realistically meant that it would need manual operation (pressing a button) in winter as the wheels would slide before the torque was developed to disengage it. To move from a stop I would lift the clutch momentarily and this would operate the handbrake in about the same timeframe as if I was disengaging it manually, in time for me to move off when I wanted to.
On hills, a separate system operated the hill-start assist, just like how a separate system operates the hill start assist on my Mazda6.
The handbrake failed to respond to torque application 3 times in 2 years. No pattern to these events, but I just slapped the button and got on with driving. I'm sure plenty of you have witnessed cars being driven around by fogies with the handbrake smoking away so it's not like manual handbrakes are exempt from that problem...
Handbrake behaviour was configurable within an options menu, only 2 levels deep. I left it on the most automated setting.
Handbrake would engage when engine turned off, or when button was pressed.
Handbrake would disengage when button pressed, or if the rear wheels experienced torque. This realistically meant that it would need manual operation (pressing a button) in winter as the wheels would slide before the torque was developed to disengage it. To move from a stop I would lift the clutch momentarily and this would operate the handbrake in about the same timeframe as if I was disengaging it manually, in time for me to move off when I wanted to.
On hills, a separate system operated the hill-start assist, just like how a separate system operates the hill start assist on my Mazda6.
The handbrake failed to respond to torque application 3 times in 2 years. No pattern to these events, but I just slapped the button and got on with driving. I'm sure plenty of you have witnessed cars being driven around by fogies with the handbrake smoking away so it's not like manual handbrakes are exempt from that problem...
Handbrake behaviour was configurable within an options menu, only 2 levels deep. I left it on the most automated setting.
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