RE: Electric GT race calendar confirmed
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FurtiveFreddy said:
SpeckledJim said:
Can a racing Tesla be adapted to a 'cartridge' style battery system?
Changing batteries in seconds or minutes rather than charging them in hours?
If so, they could potentially do very well in modern GT championships?
Er, no.Changing batteries in seconds or minutes rather than charging them in hours?
If so, they could potentially do very well in modern GT championships?
I know it doesn't exist on the road cars. But there's very little on a GT3 car that exists on the road cars...
SpeckledJim said:
I remember Musk demonstrating a system, so it has been done.
I know it doesn't exist on the road cars. But there's very little on a GT3 car that exists on the road cars...
Tesla has no involvement with Electric GT, or any form of racing for that matter. And I seriously doubt the Electric GT people have the resources to engineer hot-swappable batteries for the cars they're building.I know it doesn't exist on the road cars. But there's very little on a GT3 car that exists on the road cars...
AFIAK, Don Panoz's proposed Garage 56 car for Le Mans will be designed to do just that though.
SpeckledJim said:
Can a racing Tesla be adapted to a 'cartridge' style battery system?
Changing batteries in seconds or minutes rather than charging them in hours?
If so, they could potentially do very well in modern GT championships?
Even with a bespoke car you’re not going to be able to create something that’s competitive with any modern GTE or GT3 car with current battery tech. You’re into diminishing returns of increasing range against battery size If you want to have a comparable pit stop window to an IC racing car, and will have blunted the performance with excessive weight long before that.Changing batteries in seconds or minutes rather than charging them in hours?
If so, they could potentially do very well in modern GT championships?
You might be able to manage something comparable to GT4 pace and range but the cost would be dramatically higher.
Does nobody on here like the idea of technology progressing? If a race series has ICEs it doesn't guarantee entertainment, and the same can be said for EVs. Some Formula E races have been good while others have been crap, but if EV technology can be further developed to influence road cars then that's only a good thing. I'd sooner have a quiet race series and healthy lungs than a loud series and asthma.
shiftydave said:
Does nobody on here like the idea of technology progressing? If a race series has ICEs it doesn't guarantee entertainment, and the same can be said for EVs. Some Formula E races have been good while others have been crap, but if EV technology can be further developed to influence road cars then that's only a good thing. I'd sooner have a quiet race series and healthy lungs than a loud series and asthma.
I like the idea of technology progressing with internal combustion engines. I have zero interest in electric powered milk floats going round a track.I'm also not a follower of the green environmentalists whereby the future of cars HAS to be EVs.
I used to race cars myself and sometimes still go to the odd invitation event to race. I have also been and likely always will be a fan of ICE motorsports.
Its not just about the technology involved or if it is perceived by some that it is a progression of technology for it to move to batteries.
Its mostly about the atmosphere and the drama that ICE's provide.
The flames out of the exhaust on over-run, the popping and back-firing to provide the feeling of power and the racer's control over it.
You can hear the control a driver has over the car by hearing the engine sounds.
I hate the regression in modern times for everything to be digital and I much prefer the way that ICE racing is mostly analogue.
I have little to no interest in digital style control over a car (or should that be lack of control as it is the computer that is doing a lot of the 'driving'?).
Strewth, even my current sports car has flappy paddles, and I'm about to sell that because its too digital and I'm going back to a proper manual.
shiftydave said:
Does nobody on here like the idea of technology progressing? If a race series has ICEs it doesn't guarantee entertainment, and the same can be said for EVs. Some Formula E races have been good while others have been crap, but if EV technology can be further developed to influence road cars then that's only a good thing. I'd sooner have a quiet race series and healthy lungs than a loud series and asthma.
Yes. It's called "motor"sport, not engine sport, for one thing. For the trolls in here, name me another professional racing series right now that doesn't have a single pay driver on the grid. Sure isn't F1, or BTCC, or WEC, or Blancpain, or IndyCar. Ask anyone (with a brain) what the key to good racing is and they'll all tell you the same thing: more power than grip, and what grip there is should be primarly mechanical rather than aerodynamic. Formula E manages to do exactly that, and the racing is close (as you'd expect with several world-class drivers in it). The gen 2 car looks fantastic and rids us of the half-size battery, finally.
And a grid full of Formula E cars doesn't sound anything like a milkfloat, it sounds like a pack of TIE fighters going past because of the gearbox whine. More aurally interesting than F1's been since the return of turbos, certainly.
Then there's Pikes Peak. Starts above 9,000 feet, finishes about 14,000 feet. If you want to have the same amount of power all the way up the mountain, batteries and an electric motor are a much better approach than an internal combustion engine: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/670-horsepowe...
As long as the racing is good, who gives an actual f
k what the energy storage is? Probably the same people who think racing is ruined without paying women in tight dresses to stand in front of the cars holding a stick, I guess.Dr Gitlin said:
As long as the racing is good, who gives an actual fk what the energy storage is? Probably the same people who think racing is ruined without paying women in tight dresses to stand in front of the cars holding a stick, I guess.
Well I'd say you guessed totally wrong.k what the energy storage is? Probably the same people who think racing is ruined without paying women in tight dresses to stand in front of the cars holding a stick, I guess.The blatant obvious lack of viewers both on TV and as a spectator at these bullshyte milk float races is evidence enough that you seem to be in a minority anorak wearing crowd of a few trolls who seem to want to push EVs on the PISTONheads forum
The Wookie said:
SpeckledJim said:
Can a racing Tesla be adapted to a 'cartridge' style battery system?
Changing batteries in seconds or minutes rather than charging them in hours?
If so, they could potentially do very well in modern GT championships?
Even with a bespoke car you’re not going to be able to create something that’s competitive with any modern GTE or GT3 car with current battery tech. You’re into diminishing returns of increasing range against battery size If you want to have a comparable pit stop window to an IC racing car, and will have blunted the performance with excessive weight long before that.Changing batteries in seconds or minutes rather than charging them in hours?
If so, they could potentially do very well in modern GT championships?
You might be able to manage something comparable to GT4 pace and range but the cost would be dramatically higher.
Out of interest, what's the approx difference in weight in powertrain between a Tesla and, say, a typical V8 GT3 car (including all the fuel gubbins and half a tank of petrol?
Just as we've got electric bikes racing in the IoM TT (in their own class, I know), this is surely heading our way?
Atomic12C said:
Well I'd say you guessed totally wrong.
The blatant obvious lack of viewers both on TV and as a spectator at these bullshyte milk float races is evidence enough that you seem to be in a minority anorak wearing crowd of a few trolls who seem to want to push EVs on the PISTONheads forum
The Rome race was a complete sell out, and Formula E now gets about 300 million viewers a year. Not bad considering the racing product hasn’t been perfect yet and the sport is only in season 4. Meanwhile F1 has lost a third of its global audience in the last decade.The blatant obvious lack of viewers both on TV and as a spectator at these bullshyte milk float races is evidence enough that you seem to be in a minority anorak wearing crowd of a few trolls who seem to want to push EVs on the PISTONheads forum
If you’re going to troll, at least check the facts beforehand.
Dr Gitlin said:
The Rome race was a complete sell out, and Formula E now gets about 300 million viewers a year. Not bad considering the racing product hasn’t been perfect yet and the sport is only in season 4. Meanwhile F1 has lost a third of its global audience in the last decade.
If you’re going to troll, at least check the facts beforehand.
The event managed to sell out the single tiny grandstand that is often provided?If you’re going to troll, at least check the facts beforehand.
Well done Formula E haha
As you wish to compare milk float racing to F1... have a look at the figures yourself.
Milk floats
https://f1broadcasting.co/2017/07/31/a-detailed-an...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2016/07/18/shor...
vs
F1
https://f1broadcasting.co/2017/12/11/f1s-uk-televi...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133762/f1-report...
I'm not actually putting these links up for your benefit, more so that other PISTONhead'ers can see that you are the troll.
I’m usib. Numbers Christian Sylt posted a couple of months ago. I note the most up to date figure you use from Formula E is from the middle of 2017.
Anyway, you obviously have your mind made up and aren’t interested in broadening it, so I’m not sure there’s much point continuing this. Enjoy being a Luddite, I guess.
Anyway, you obviously have your mind made up and aren’t interested in broadening it, so I’m not sure there’s much point continuing this. Enjoy being a Luddite, I guess.
Atomic12C said:
Dr Gitlin said:
As long as the racing is good, who gives an actual fk what the energy storage is? Probably the same people who think racing is ruined without paying women in tight dresses to stand in front of the cars holding a stick, I guess.
Well I'd say you guessed totally wrong.k what the energy storage is? Probably the same people who think racing is ruined without paying women in tight dresses to stand in front of the cars holding a stick, I guess.The blatant obvious lack of viewers both on TV and as a spectator at these bullshyte milk float races is evidence enough that you seem to be in a minority anorak wearing crowd of a few trolls who seem to want to push EVs on the PISTONheads forum
I was really skeptical about Formula E and have largely avoided it until recently. But then we got a new Virgin TV box and it started recording the race footage for me. I have to say, I've actually thoroughly enjoyed it in the main. There's still some bits that irk me, the two car thing (until next year), the tracks can look a bit too temporary and sometimes too narrow and I don't like the fan boost thing at all but... there has been some great racing in the races I've seen. Real close battles going on for lap after lap and some do or die passes. And there are some very good drivers competing now. I'm not quite ready to declare myself a fan but it's pretty entertaining.
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