RE: Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Driven
Discussion
Leonardo101 said:
That is truly awful it looks like some chav has gone to tunethiscrapup.com & asked for every spoiler & duct going to be added. Please porsche kill the 911 it's well passed its sell by date!
Eh?? Maybe they keep building em as the people that matter (to Porsche), the ones with money keep buying em to the point current models regularly sell for silly premiums.Oh and they are rather good cars...
Leonardo101 said:
That is truly awful it looks like some chav has gone to tunethiscrapup.com & asked for every spoiler & duct going to be added. Please porsche kill the 911 it's well passed its sell by date!
Very amusing... how wrong perception can be. It is of course the other way around, it are the chavs that 'style' their cars to 'look like' a racing car. This on the other hand, IS an actual racing car. One that may be driven on the road, but where nevertheless every spoiler, duct and bits are real go-faster-bits... just to point out the obvious to an obvious troll, but for some reason it gives me pleasure to point it out nevertheless as I'm so sick of all the talk where style goes before substance... but here we have SUBSTANCE. Completely useless for the road probably, but hey, some chavs have a lot of money... I hope they get used for actual track outings, on the limit. Often. And others don't bother. I'll stop now... 
Onehp said:
Leonardo101 said:
That is truly awful it looks like some chav has gone to tunethiscrapup.com & asked for every spoiler & duct going to be added. Please porsche kill the 911 it's well passed its sell by date!
Very amusing... how wrong perception can be. It is of course the other way around, it are the chavs that 'style' their cars to 'look like' a racing car. This on the other hand, IS an actual racing car. One that may be driven on the road, but where nevertheless every spoiler, duct and bits are real go-faster-bits... just to point out the obvious to an obvious troll, but for some reason it gives me pleasure to point it out nevertheless as I'm so sick of all the talk where style goes before substance... but here we have SUBSTANCE. Completely useless for the road probably, but hey, some chavs have a lot of money... I hope they get used for actual track outings, on the limit. Often. And others don't bother. I'll stop now... Onehp said:
Leonardo101 said:
That is truly awful it looks like some chav has gone to tunethiscrapup.com & asked for every spoiler & duct going to be added. Please porsche kill the 911 it's well passed its sell by date!
Very amusing... how wrong perception can be. It is of course the other way around, it are the chavs that 'style' their cars to 'look like' a racing car. This on the other hand, IS an actual racing car. One that may be driven on the road, but where nevertheless every spoiler, duct and bits are real go-faster-bits... just to point out the obvious to an obvious troll, but for some reason it gives me pleasure to point it out nevertheless as I'm so sick of all the talk where style goes before substance... but here we have SUBSTANCE. Completely useless for the road probably, but hey, some chavs have a lot of money... I hope they get used for actual track outings, on the limit. Often. And others don't bother. I'll stop now... I agree that this looks fussy and, frankly, a bit embarrassing as a road car - in comparison the 'normal' GT3 looks much better to my eyes. This is a particular problem for me in the UK where the vast majority of owners take them to 'meets' and don't actually use them as intended. Fortunately, on the continent people use them as intended en masse.
hondansx said:
Sorry, but you have fallen for the PR here. This is still a long way off from being a Cup car.
I agree that this looks fussy and, frankly, a bit embarrassing as a road car - in comparison the 'normal' GT3 looks much better to my eyes. This is a particular problem for me in the UK where the vast majority of owners take them to 'meets' and don't actually use them as intended. Fortunately, on the continent people use them as intended en masse.
Plenty of people take them out on track in the UK! This was my mate taking his in a trackday at Silverstone last year. All of those cars were out on trackI agree that this looks fussy and, frankly, a bit embarrassing as a road car - in comparison the 'normal' GT3 looks much better to my eyes. This is a particular problem for me in the UK where the vast majority of owners take them to 'meets' and don't actually use them as intended. Fortunately, on the continent people use them as intended en masse.
And the relationship to a Cup car is actually very close. Feel free to prove otherwise but:
- Wishbones are the same and accept the Cup car camber shims. My friends car had them fitted
- Engine is the same in the Cup car
- Uprights are the same
- GT3 RS has the same rose joints in the suspension
- Body structure identical to Cup car.
So, apart from the interior, most of the important bits are shared. It’s actually worthwhile doing this as it reduces the cost of their Motorsport components....a key profit area for Porsche!
RacerMike said:
And the relationship to a Cup car is actually very close. Feel free to prove otherwise but:
- Wishbones are the same and accept the Cup car camber shims. My friends car had them fitted
- Engine is the same in the Cup car
- Uprights are the same
- GT3 RS has the same rose joints in the suspension
- Body structure identical to Cup car.
So, apart from the interior, most of the important bits are shared. It’s actually worthwhile doing this as it reduces the cost of their Motorsport components....a key profit area for Porsche!
- The engine is not the same in the cup car as the Cup has less peak power but more peak torque. - Wishbones are the same and accept the Cup car camber shims. My friends car had them fitted
- Engine is the same in the Cup car
- Uprights are the same
- GT3 RS has the same rose joints in the suspension
- Body structure identical to Cup car.
So, apart from the interior, most of the important bits are shared. It’s actually worthwhile doing this as it reduces the cost of their Motorsport components....a key profit area for Porsche!
- The Cup has a single clutch automated manual gearbox vs a dual clutch gearbox in the RS.
- The Cup has a mechanical fixed ratio limited slip diff vs the electro-hydraulic multi ratio diff in the RS
- The Cup runs fixed dampers not the road car's PASM semi active system.
- The Cup has hydraulic steering vs electric on the road car
- The Cup does not have rear wheel steering like the road car.
So yes apart from all that they are very close....
isaldiri said:
- The engine is not the same in the cup car as the Cup has less peak power but more peak torque.
- The Cup has a single clutch automated manual gearbox vs a dual clutch gearbox in the RS.
- The Cup has a mechanical fixed ratio limited slip diff vs the electro-hydraulic multi ratio diff in the RS
- The Cup runs fixed dampers not the road car's PASM semi active system.
- The Cup has hydraulic steering vs electric on the road car
- The Cup does not have rear wheel steering like the road car.
So yes apart from all that they are very close....
Cup car is actually a sequential if we must be pedants....- The Cup has a single clutch automated manual gearbox vs a dual clutch gearbox in the RS.
- The Cup has a mechanical fixed ratio limited slip diff vs the electro-hydraulic multi ratio diff in the RS
- The Cup runs fixed dampers not the road car's PASM semi active system.
- The Cup has hydraulic steering vs electric on the road car
- The Cup does not have rear wheel steering like the road car.
So yes apart from all that they are very close....
So you could say the RS is a Cup car with some things in it that make it useable as a road car....and allow it to adapt between track and road settings which wouldn’t be required by the CUP car.
You can argue it either way, but it’s certainly not PR bulls
t. Especially not when even the last RS on PS Cup 2s can lap Silverstone within 10s of a slick shod Cup car.RacerMike said:
Cup car is actually a sequential if we must be pedants....
So you could say the RS is a Cup car with some things in it that make it useable as a road car....and allow it to adapt between track and road settings which wouldn’t be required by the CUP car.
You can argue it either way, but it’s certainly not PR bullst. Especially not when even the last RS on PS Cup 2s can lap Silverstone within 10s of a slick shod Cup car.
There's no doubt that the RS road car is very fast on track. That however does not necessarily have very much relevance on how close it is compared to the motorsport car as the latter has a lot of very fundamentally different (to me anyway) mechanical bits. Lack of rear wheel steering/torque vectoring and the e-diff in the motorsport car will imo make it a completely different driving experience on track to the road car. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock down the RS at all as it's a very impressive machine but it's just not like the Cup as some people like to claim. So you could say the RS is a Cup car with some things in it that make it useable as a road car....and allow it to adapt between track and road settings which wouldn’t be required by the CUP car.
You can argue it either way, but it’s certainly not PR bulls
t. Especially not when even the last RS on PS Cup 2s can lap Silverstone within 10s of a slick shod Cup car.isaldiri said:
There's no doubt that the RS road car is very fast on track. That however does not necessarily have very much relevance on how close it is compared to the motorsport car as the latter has a lot of very fundamentally different (to me anyway) mechanical bits. Lack of rear wheel steering/torque vectoring and the e-diff in the motorsport car will imo make it a completely different driving experience on track to the road car. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock down the RS at all as it's a very impressive machine but it's just not like the Cup as some people like to claim.
Well, having raced something relatively comparable (GT4 car) and briefly driven an RS, I’d say it feels pretty close to the former. My friend with the GT3 has raced in the Carerra Cup, and I’m pretty sure he’s commented to me that they feel comparative. The only thing that particularly makes the road car stand out is the abundance of power.isaldiri said:
Homologation rules in gt racing are a bit of a joke. Porsche didn't even need an exemption for the rsr, changing the position of the gearbox/engine was actually allowed under existing regs. A mid engine car just to homologate the rsr is not required.
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