RE: Ford Fiesta ST from ?18,995!

[g4ry13]

GroundEffect said:

g4ry13 said:

I must be getting old when thinking that £19k for a Fiesta is actually pretty expensive (rather than cheap)!

Definitely you getting old.

£14,000 in 2003 would be £19,300 now when just taking CPI in to account.

It's probably better to look at what % of an average annual salary the Fiesta constitutes. A £19,300 Fiesta is about 70% of the average annual salary. That sounds pretty steep to me.

[s m]

g4ry13 said:

GroundEffect said:

g4ry13 said:

I must be getting old when thinking that £19k for a Fiesta is actually pretty expensive (rather than cheap)!

Definitely you getting old.

£14,000 in 2003 would be £19,300 now when just taking CPI in to account.

It's probably better to look at what % of an average annual salary the Fiesta constitutes. A £19,300 Fiesta is about 70% of the average annual salary. That sounds pretty steep to me.

How much are the Fiesta ST's competitors?

[the_bakerboy3685]

I do like the look of this but I just don't seem to have much luck with Ford's. Had all 4 wheels nicked off my first new car (Zetec S Fiesta). I bought the last ST in 2014 and came back to it in a car park one day, to find someone had scratched and dented the rear driver side panel and driven off.
My worry would be this one gets stolen!

[diddles]

wab172uk said:

johnny_bravo said:

I'd be in for :-

Fiesta ST-2 £19,995
Performance Pack - £850
18 inch Alloy Wheels - £350
LED Lights - £600

= £21,795

Maybe a 10% discount when all the dust has settled?

This ^^^ plus the Montune kit that will no doubt arrive in due course

I have a 8% discount on RRP on a ST-3 + options already ( via carwow )

[Zad]

Here's what the exhaust sounds like. Presumably it is idling in 2 cylinder mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FatUOhzPEug

[Mr Tidy]

g4ry13 said:

It's probably better to look at what % of an average annual salary the Fiesta constitutes. A £19,300 Fiesta is about 70% of the average annual salary. That sounds pretty steep to me.

But how relevant is that?

Will anyone actually buy one - or will they all be rented as is the way these days!

[CharlieH89]

Gareth-f4dmk said:

Looks really nice in Magnetic but I need to see the proper promo shots in all the colour options.

Had an ST Line arrive yesterday. On lease for the next 3 years

[s m]

CharlieH89 said:

Had an ST Line arrive yesterday. On lease for the next 3 years

I like the colour Charlie - what's it like compared to the old model ( if you tried one )?

[Kenny Powers]

That is really rather nice. Fair play.

[Gareth-f4dmk]

CharlieH89 said:

Had an ST Line arrive yesterday. On lease for the next 3 years

Looks smart mate. I even like the 5 door in the Magnetic. Is it ST-line or the ST-Line X? What options did you get?

I've tried my hardest but can't find pics of the Pearlescent - Silver Fox paint you can order the ST in. May be a consideration vs the Performance Blue which I feel will be rather common. TBF Race Red looks great in the pics and I'm sure the White will be nice but so far it's between Magnetic and Performance for me though holding off firm decisions till see Silver Fox promo shots.

[rtz62]

I’m absolutley sure that in today’s market this is perceived as ‘good value’.
Makes me feel old, but my first new car was. Fiesta XR2.
Sunburst Red, with alloys, sun roof, tinted glass and up-specced stereo, it cost me £6000 on the nose.
Sold it after a year for another new one, in Nimbus Grey, that too cost me £6000.
I got £5400 for the red one, not bad depreciation for a years worth of fun.
My current car has loads of tech, but I sometimes look, through rose-tinted specs, and ask myself do I need sat nav, abs, pas, asc etc etc. Times were definitely simpler back then (and more dangerous in a crash of course) but I’d rather have an xr2 than this.
Mind you, the way prices are going, they could end up at the same price point soon...

[Rawwr]

rtz62 said:

I’m absolutley sure that in today’s market this is perceived as ‘good value’.
Makes me feel old, but my first new car was. Fiesta XR2.
Sunburst Red, with alloys, sun roof, tinted glass and up-specced stereo, it cost me £6000 on the nose.
Sold it after a year for another new one, in Nimbus Grey, that too cost me £6000.
I got £5400 for the red one, not bad depreciation for a years worth of fun.
My current car has loads of tech, but I sometimes look, through rose-tinted specs, and ask myself do I need sat nav, abs, pas, asc etc etc. Times were definitely simpler back then (and more dangerous in a crash of course) but I’d rather have an xr2 than this.
Mind you, the way prices are going, they could end up at the same price point soon...

THEY ARE THE SAME PRICE. IT'S A THING CALLED INFLATION.

Glad I got that out of my system or I'd have had to have bought a claw hammer and a carrier bag.

[culpz]

A bargain for what appears to be a pretty decent base model on offer too. I presumed that the standard one would be somewhere north of £20k. I'm feeling a bit gutted that i didn't wait for the release of this now, as I'm starting to see some review and videos and it looks and sounds like an incredible car.

I don't regret getting the Scirocco, but ever since i test drove a MK7 Fiesta ST, i've really hankered after one. By the time i give it back, i'll be long overdue getting a cheap and sensible car while i focus on the boring things in life

[Gareth-f4dmk]

rtz62 said:

I’m absolutley sure that in today’s market this is perceived as ‘good value’.
Makes me feel old, but my first new car was. Fiesta XR2.
Sunburst Red, with alloys, sun roof, tinted glass and up-specced stereo, it cost me £6000 on the nose.
Sold it after a year for another new one, in Nimbus Grey, that too cost me £6000.
I got £5400 for the red one, not bad depreciation for a years worth of fun.
My current car has loads of tech, but I sometimes look, through rose-tinted specs, and ask myself do I need sat nav, abs, pas, asc etc etc. Times were definitely simpler back then (and more dangerous in a crash of course) but I’d rather have an xr2 than this.
Mind you, the way prices are going, they could end up at the same price point soon...

If you purchased the XR2 for £6k in 1983 on release that's the same as £20k today which is actually more than the ST1 model comes in at just looking at inflation.

For perspecive the average uk house price at the end of 1983 was £28k. So your new car cost a bit more than a quarter of average house prices. The average sem-detached in England was £225k in January making the new ST less than a tenth of the cost of an average house.

You would have been paying probably 50-60p for a pint of lager in 1983. More like £4 today which is 8x the cost. On that basis your £6k XR2 could equate to £48k today.

Stuff gets more expensive. Cars have gone up way less than houses, groceries etc..

[s m]

Gareth-f4dmk said:

rtz62 said:

I’m absolutley sure that in today’s market this is perceived as ‘good value’.
Makes me feel old, but my first new car was. Fiesta XR2.
Sunburst Red, with alloys, sun roof, tinted glass and up-specced stereo, it cost me £6000 on the nose.
Sold it after a year for another new one, in Nimbus Grey, that too cost me £6000.
I got £5400 for the red one, not bad depreciation for a years worth of fun.
My current car has loads of tech, but I sometimes look, through rose-tinted specs, and ask myself do I need sat nav, abs, pas, asc etc etc. Times were definitely simpler back then (and more dangerous in a crash of course) but I’d rather have an xr2 than this.
Mind you, the way prices are going, they could end up at the same price point soon...

If you purchased the XR2 for £6k in 1983 on release that's the same as £20k today which is actually more than the ST1 model comes in at just looking at inflation.

For perspecive the average uk house price at the end of 1983 was £28k. So your new car cost a bit more than a quarter of average house prices. The average sem-detached in England was £225k in January making the new ST less than a tenth of the cost of an average house.

You would have been paying probably 50-60p for a pint of lager in 1983. More like £4 today which is 8x the cost. On that basis your £6k XR2 could equate to £48k today.

Stuff gets more expensive. Cars have gone up way less than houses, groceries etc..

A Fiesta RS Turbo was £12300 in 1990 - according to some inflation calculators that would be around £26k in today's money, 28 years later

[Berlin]

s m said:

A Fiesta RS Turbo was £12300 in 1990 - according to some inflation calculators that would be around £26k in today's money, 28 years later

Which sounds about right - if they were to do an RS Fiesta today.

[s m]

Berlin said:

s m said:

A Fiesta RS Turbo was £12300 in 1990 - according to some inflation calculators that would be around £26k in today's money, 28 years later

Which sounds about right - if they were to do an RS Fiesta today.

I'd say, other than the RS moniker, the new ST occupies the same segment. the RS was compared to stuff like the 1.9 205 and Clio 16v in its day - similar horsepower. The 208GTi and RS200/RS220 seem to offer broadly similar performance according to road tests.

I think if they were to offer an RS Fiesta it would have to have a significant hike in power

[greenarrow]

s m said:

Gareth-f4dmk said:

rtz62 said:

I’m absolutley sure that in today’s market this is perceived as ‘good value’.
Makes me feel old, but my first new car was. Fiesta XR2.
Sunburst Red, with alloys, sun roof, tinted glass and up-specced stereo, it cost me £6000 on the nose.
Sold it after a year for another new one, in Nimbus Grey, that too cost me £6000.
I got £5400 for the red one, not bad depreciation for a years worth of fun.
My current car has loads of tech, but I sometimes look, through rose-tinted specs, and ask myself do I need sat nav, abs, pas, asc etc etc. Times were definitely simpler back then (and more dangerous in a crash of course) but I’d rather have an xr2 than this.
Mind you, the way prices are going, they could end up at the same price point soon...

If you purchased the XR2 for £6k in 1983 on release that's the same as £20k today which is actually more than the ST1 model comes in at just looking at inflation.

For perspecive the average uk house price at the end of 1983 was £28k. So your new car cost a bit more than a quarter of average house prices. The average sem-detached in England was £225k in January making the new ST less than a tenth of the cost of an average house.

You would have been paying probably 50-60p for a pint of lager in 1983. More like £4 today which is 8x the cost. On that basis your £6k XR2 could equate to £48k today.

Stuff gets more expensive. Cars have gone up way less than houses, groceries etc..

A Fiesta RS Turbo was £12300 in 1990 - according to some inflation calculators that would be around £26k in today's money, 28 years later

..in 1990 the average salary was £13,700 and I am guessing the normal XR2i was around the £10,000-£11,000 mark, so at £19,000 the ST seems to be priced about right, if anything slightly cheaper v average salary than 1990

[s m]

greenarrow said:

s m said:

Gareth-f4dmk said:

rtz62 said:

I’m absolutley sure that in today’s market this is perceived as ‘good value’.
Makes me feel old, but my first new car was. Fiesta XR2.
Sunburst Red, with alloys, sun roof, tinted glass and up-specced stereo, it cost me £6000 on the nose.
Sold it after a year for another new one, in Nimbus Grey, that too cost me £6000.
I got £5400 for the red one, not bad depreciation for a years worth of fun.
My current car has loads of tech, but I sometimes look, through rose-tinted specs, and ask myself do I need sat nav, abs, pas, asc etc etc. Times were definitely simpler back then (and more dangerous in a crash of course) but I’d rather have an xr2 than this.
Mind you, the way prices are going, they could end up at the same price point soon...

If you purchased the XR2 for £6k in 1983 on release that's the same as £20k today which is actually more than the ST1 model comes in at just looking at inflation.

For perspecive the average uk house price at the end of 1983 was £28k. So your new car cost a bit more than a quarter of average house prices. The average sem-detached in England was £225k in January making the new ST less than a tenth of the cost of an average house.

You would have been paying probably 50-60p for a pint of lager in 1983. More like £4 today which is 8x the cost. On that basis your £6k XR2 could equate to £48k today.

Stuff gets more expensive. Cars have gone up way less than houses, groceries etc..

A Fiesta RS Turbo was £12300 in 1990 - according to some inflation calculators that would be around £26k in today's money, 28 years later

..in 1990 the average salary was £13,700 and I am guessing the normal XR2i was around the £10,000-£11,000 mark, so at £19,000 the ST seems to be priced about right, if anything slightly cheaper v average salary than 1990

Yes, I'd agree, cars are comparatively cheaper nowadays as well as having more geegaws and performance

[CharlieH89]

s m said:

CharlieH89 said:

Had an ST Line arrive yesterday. On lease for the next 3 years

I like the colour Charlie - what's it like compared to the old model ( if you tried one )?

Hi s m. I previously had a mk7 FIesta ST which had roughly 230bhp which I got rid of in December. It was pretty quick, had the recaros which I found comfy and was great to throw around the Evo Triangle. Sadly the roads on my commute to work aren't the best and as my car was a 14 plate the suspension was a bit crashy I found. Apparently the suspension was updated with the ST200 and 16 plates and onwards.
I've only driven the ST Line for 12 miles to work this morning along the motorway. The car doesn't come with recaro seats which I miss from the mk7. They were really comfy. It's not 230bhp which is apparent but it still has a little poke with it's turbo. I'm yet to chuck around any corners but i'm glad when i'm cruising along there is no knock like there is when changing gears in the mk7. It was quite annoying.
The carplay feels slow after trying out Spotify but it's better than nothing. There are no controls on the steering wheel to skip tracks when listening to music that I have noticed. Will be having a better look around it later.
For £165 a month with no deposit i'm happy with it. 5 doors too as we are trying for a baby currently.
I really like the look of the mk8 and will hopefully get one in the future and the wife can have the ST Line
I've seen people review the mk8 ST and say it is better than the mk7. If that's the case then it is a no brainer to get one.
It won't be long before the dealers will be offering them out for £16,000 like they did the mk 7.