RE: Prior Convictions: MOT rule changes

[V8RX7]

In Arduis Fouette said:

V8RX7 said:

I think if you look at the numbers and the miles that Tractors cover on the road, compared to Classic cars it really isn't comparable.

i think a lot of people have a very limited understanding of modern agricultural practice and therefore how far the average tractor travels on the road each week - especially the newer bigger machines that meet the ' fast tractor' specifications ( it;s not just Fastracs, and unimogs that do now, lots of tractor shaped tractors do - notice how many farm trailers are now braked/ suspended with fully functioning lights ... )

Come on then - supply some numbers.

How many tractors are there that will cover 3000+ miles a year in the UK ?
How many Classic cars are there ?

Of those tractors how many are cheap enough that they are likely to be poorly maintained - so worth sub £5k ? (Bugger all)
How many Classic cars are worth sub £5k ? (st loads)

[finishing touch]

uk66fastback said:

finishing touch said:

The worst case is one where he has forbidden his wife from driving their Moggy because he says its unsafe for her as she can't press the brake sufficiently to slow the car down, and she's a big ol' gal. I didn't dare mention emergency stops.
Paul G

Quite what this to do with the 40yo MoT rule is beyond me! Sounds like it’s her that needs it!

Because if the car had an MOT it would fail on the brakes, and therefore he would be forced to get it fixed.

For the sake of everyone else on the road, including animals and children, I see this as preferable to him just restricting
the driving to himself, because he is willing to take the risk.

Paul G

[TooMany2cvs]

finishing touch said:

uk66fastback said:

finishing touch said:

The worst case is one where he has forbidden his wife from driving their Moggy because he says its unsafe for her as she can't press the brake sufficiently to slow the car down, and she's a big ol' gal. I didn't dare mention emergency stops.
Paul G

Quite what this to do with the 40yo MoT rule is beyond me! Sounds like it’s her that needs it!

Because if the car had an MOT it would fail on the brakes, and therefore he would be forced to get it fixed.

For the sake of everyone else on the road, including animals and children, I see this as preferable to him just restricting
the driving to himself, because he is willing to take the risk.

I read it as the pedal simply being too heavy for her, because it's an unservoed setup like cars used to be.

If the brakes are simply too st to pass an MOT (and the test pass standard is fairly low), then I don't see how the pedal pressure (which is what I inferred from "can't press the brake sufficiently") isn't the issue - nobody could press it sufficiently. Pedal pressure is not part of the test.

[warch]

V8RX7 said:

Come on then - supply some numbers.

How many tractors are there that will cover 3000+ miles a year in the UK ?
How many Classic cars are there ?

Of those tractors how many are cheap enough that they are likely to be poorly maintained - so worth sub £5k ? (Bugger all)
How many Classic cars are worth sub £5k ? (st loads)

There are slightly over 500,000 agricultural vehicles in the UK https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/agricu...

There are slightly under 500,000 MoT exempt classic cars https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mot-ex...


Your 3000 miles a year equates to about 8 miles a day (average), which is easily exceeded, especially by farmers with detached land, commoner grazing and contractors. Top line tractors usually have a first user life of only a few years, by which time they'll have done several thousand hours very hard work, and may have a number of defects or mechanical failures on the horizon. It is possible for a hard used tractor to be practically clapped out at 10 years old. Defects on even quite recent vehicles aren't always attended to properly especially if the farmer is on a low budget.

[V8RX7]

warch said:

There are slightly over 500,000 agricultural vehicles in the UK https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/agricu...

There are slightly under 500,000 MoT exempt classic cars https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mot-ex...


Your 3000 miles a year equates to about 8 miles a day (average), which is easily exceeded, especially by farmers with detached land, commoner grazing and contractors. Top line tractors usually have a first user life of only a few years, by which time they'll have done several thousand hours very hard work, and may have a number of defects or mechanical failures on the horizon. It is possible for a hard used tractor to be practically clapped out at 10 years old. Defects on even quite recent vehicles aren't always attended to properly especially if the farmer is on a low budget.

We must know very different farmers.

I own a tractor - it has never been on the road

My father owns three - they have never been on the road

I live in the countryside and rarely see a tractor on the road - less than once a week - if I do it's of the £50k+ variety

The only exception being when they cut the hedges and tend to use cheap tractors, travelling around 5mph they aren't much of a risk