Two Knobs - Ferrari vs Porsche

[TooMany2cvs]

rallycross said:

how can anyone genuinely make £30m by the time they are 30 yrs by selling cars? totally impossible in the real world.

It's not as if he started from scratch on the day he popped out of his mum, with £0 in his pocket.

That wealth is a chunk of the business Daddy built up, allegedly starting from auctions at the age of 12 in the early 70s. Whether you believe that particular foundation myth or not, it's not hard to see how the empire's built up. Buy low and sell high, be lucky with timing your stock in a rising market - it's not as if they're piling Fiestas high...

[av185]

TooMany2cvs said:

. Buy low and sell high, be lucky with timing your stock in a rising market

Thanks for the great sage insight.

Always wondered how it's done. :

[kelevra]

There’s a young lad on social media who says this accident has influenced the insurers who were considering insuring him on a Mclaren 570 from his Porsche to come back and say No.
So this got me thinking, does all this car scene on social media increase premiums especially amongst young drivers.

[anonymous-user]

kelevra said:

There’s a young lad on social media who says this accident has influenced the insurers who were considering insuring him on a Mclaren 570 from his Porsche to come back and say No.
So this got me thinking, does all this car scene on social media increase premiums especially amongst young drivers.

I think that that’s a leap of the imagination.

Unless his surname is Hartley or Holland of course.

[numtumfutunch]

TVR Moneypit said:

You'll never make it as an Estate Agent Chocolate Frog

As an aside, WTF has happened to this place? There used to be some really good banter around here. Now it's like some of you guys could start an argument in a mirror. Jeez, I hope that the more argumentative of you aren't like this in real life, or I imagine you're one disagreement away from a heart attack. Chill :smoking:

I could go on, but I'd much rather this thread didn't go the way of many around here and stayed on topic.


Does anyone have a link to any of the local FB gossip on this?

And 200mphclub and 2many2cv's, are you guys both local?

Sheffield Online was the source of the litter picking quote but I was too shy to ask where some posters got the juicier stuff from so thanks for asking

[Wills2]

XDA said:

He hasn't. According to the Sunday Times rich list, he owns 50% of the £46m family business, which presumably the £46m is mostly assets held.

It goes on to say that in 2016, the company profit was £2.3m on sales of £27.9m. Not exactly massive numbers.

No they are not massive, let me check mine er actually let's not.

Seen as how mine are pathetic in comparison why don't you put up yours big boy? And show everyone a real baller.

[Gameface]

av185 said:

Gameface said:

av185 said:

Gameface said:

One of the main problems in society in general these days is people thinking they are not answerable for their actions. Lying or blaming others to cover their own ass. The way I was brought up and the circles I move in, that is frowned upon.

Ok Gramps. Chill.

I'm in my 30's.

And nearly 40 you said.

You worked out how many Performantes for the UK yet?

Fewer than GT2 RS and yet little premium on the Lamborghini.

Most telling.

What on earth are you on about?

[80sMatchbox]

XDA said:

rallycross said:

how can anyone genuinely make £30m by the time they are 30 yrs by selling cars? totally impossible in the real world.

He hasn't. According to the Sunday Times rich list, he owns 50% of the £46m family business, which presumably the £46m is mostly assets held.

It goes on to say that in 2016, the company profit was £2.3m on sales of £27.9m. Not exactly massive numbers.

2.3m is not exactly small change but I was expecting the numbers to be bigger than that. Tom Hartley Jnr certainly makes makes more than that, I could imagine he did on one sale alone, on the F1.

[rockandrollmark]

Brooking10 said:

He does have form for making himself hard to like.

He had a spat on here once and I may be remembering this wrong but I think there was some racist element underpinning it.

Sounds like he’d be in good company here.

[speedking31]

Shuvi McTupya said:

super7 said:

Can you not read....?

"Luxury car dealer Carl Hartley, 30, from Derbyshire, was involved in the collision, his businessman father Tom confirmed today"

But that doesn't actually clarify if he was the one in the Porsche and had handed himself in already, or the driver of the Porsche had handed himself in and was not being named..

Or maybe passenger in the Ferrari with an unnamed test driver? "Involved" doesn't necessarily mean he was a driver.

[ecsrobin]

speedking31 said:

r maybe passenger in the Ferrari with an unnamed test driver? "Involved" doesn't necessarily mean he was a driver.

I believe the passenger in the Ferrari was a set of golf clubs.

[Andy 308GTB]

ecsrobin said:

I believe the passenger in the Ferrari was a set of golf clubs.

Arrest the Driver?

[blueg33]

80sMatchbox said:

XDA said:

rallycross said:

how can anyone genuinely make £30m by the time they are 30 yrs by selling cars? totally impossible in the real world.

He hasn't. According to the Sunday Times rich list, he owns 50% of the £46m family business, which presumably the £46m is mostly assets held.

It goes on to say that in 2016, the company profit was £2.3m on sales of £27.9m. Not exactly massive numbers.

2.3m is not exactly small change but I was expecting the numbers to be bigger than that. Tom Hartley Jnr certainly makes makes more than that, I could imagine he did on one sale alone, on the F1.

Is that net profit or gross profit? Very different things. To what extent is the business geared? Etc etc. Just quoting number like that is meaningless.

But if it’s net, just under 10% is ok. Turnover is lower than I would have expected. Is that for the whole group? Does it cover their property investments?

[loughran]

In 2015 Carl Hartley received a 2 year driving ban and 200 hours community service ?

Could this be true ?

[Gameface]

Andy 308GTB said:

ecsrobin said:

I believe the passenger in the Ferrari was a set of golf clubs.

Arrest the Driver?

That would be the thin end of the wedge...

[MWM3]

blueg33 said:

Is that net profit or gross profit? Very different things. To what extent is the business geared? Etc etc. Just quoting number like that is meaningless.

But if it’s net, just under 10% is ok. Turnover is lower than I would have expected. Is that for the whole group? Does it cover their property investments?

£2.3m befre tax.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0706117...

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Edited by MWM3 on Wednesday 23 May 14:28

[200Plus Club]

loughran said:

In 2015 Carl Hartley received a 2 year driving ban and 200 hours community service ?

Could this be true ?

Where's that quote from?

[TooMany2cvs]

TVR Moneypit said:

...2many2cv's, are you guys both local?

To the Tinsley r'a'b? No, but I've been spending far too much time on top of Wincobank recently - not any more, though.

200Plus Club said:

loughran said:

In 2015 Carl Hartley received a 2 year driving ban and 200 hours community service ?

Could this be true ?

Where's that quote from?

A link that got posted yesterday - a different Carl Hartley, from Preston, got nicked for 115 in a Mondeo, did a runner, was found to be pissed...

[ecsrobin]

200Plus Club said:

loughran said:

In 2015 Carl Hartley received a 2 year driving ban and 200 hours community service ?

Could this be true ?

Where's that quote from?

I believe he’s a different Carl Hartley https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/moto...

[Vanin]

Gameface said:

Andy 308GTB said:

ecsrobin said:

I believe the passenger in the Ferrari was a set of golf clubs.

Arrest the Driver?

That would be the thin end of the wedge...

I can see this going a fair way if we do not iron it out now. Many people will be chipping in with their pitches.

I always start my drives with a "Blondie" (fair crack down the middle)

Time for tee....................