Do you ever 'self-police' the roads?
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soupdragon1 said:
Wills2 said:
soupdragon1 said:
Hatson said:
Original Post
"So I self police.
I leave a very attractive gap, inviting them to cut in in a safe manner. But I drop a gear and sit bang in the optimum power band, ready to 'speed match' them. As they are about to pass me and take the big gap, I speed up. They soon realise I'm not letting them in and their plan is foiled."
There's no way you described this to a policeman as per your original post and got such a mild response!
How did you really put it?
I tried to explain earlier that using the written word can be hard to accurately describe the situation. Much easier face to face, or even better, sitting in the car or being familiar with the road and the way people drive on it."So I self police.
I leave a very attractive gap, inviting them to cut in in a safe manner. But I drop a gear and sit bang in the optimum power band, ready to 'speed match' them. As they are about to pass me and take the big gap, I speed up. They soon realise I'm not letting them in and their plan is foiled."
There's no way you described this to a policeman as per your original post and got such a mild response!
How did you really put it?
But if you try and imagine it, hopefully you can, then it doesn't sound as extreme. We've all seen people on motorways closing a gap to not let someone in. It's not 'hand your license in' type of offence that some people have interpreted.
It is hard to see the two wrongs here.
Hatson said:
"I leave a very attractive gap, inviting them to cut in in a safe manner." You then accelerate into the gap to stop HIS dangerous manoeuvre.
It is hard to see the two wrongs here.
You're a bit late to come into the discussion, it's over now - thread was dying up til now, best just let it go. Original objective of discussions such as the tractor discussion earlier isn't interesting to anyone and there's no more to say that hasn't been said already when discussing the op. No reason to continue anymore to be honest.It is hard to see the two wrongs here.
Leaving a gap on purpose when you know other drivers will exploit said gap is dangerous and could invite confrontation / altercation or even road rage depending on the driver. However i do appreciate how frustrating it is - there is a section of road which is use on the commute - end of a dual carriageway - left lane turns to left filter lane, middle for straight on, right for right.
The left filter lane only opens up about 300 meters before the traffic lights so there are inevitably long queues in the left lane. The right lane continues to speed along and people dangerously shoot into gaps and force their way in to avoid queues. What is really frustrating is those drivers who queue for a bit in the left lane - get bored and move to the right lane overtake a line of queuing traffic- then force their way back into the queue further down - at this point however they are crossing two lanes to get back to the left filter!
However you look at this it is pushing in a queue - they are forcing people to brake in two lanes of traffic so that they can get back to their intended direction of travel. This is wrong and if someone pushed in front of you in line in person then you would have something to say usually; so why should it be accepted that drivers who act like this are just let back in front? Why are they exempt from the standard consideration of others "rules"?
What do i do in this scenario - i queue in the left lane and when a queue jumper comes up along side with their indicator on i ignore them and maintain my standard distance to car in front without leaving a large gap. If someone behind wants to let them in its up to them!
The left filter lane only opens up about 300 meters before the traffic lights so there are inevitably long queues in the left lane. The right lane continues to speed along and people dangerously shoot into gaps and force their way in to avoid queues. What is really frustrating is those drivers who queue for a bit in the left lane - get bored and move to the right lane overtake a line of queuing traffic- then force their way back into the queue further down - at this point however they are crossing two lanes to get back to the left filter!
However you look at this it is pushing in a queue - they are forcing people to brake in two lanes of traffic so that they can get back to their intended direction of travel. This is wrong and if someone pushed in front of you in line in person then you would have something to say usually; so why should it be accepted that drivers who act like this are just let back in front? Why are they exempt from the standard consideration of others "rules"?
What do i do in this scenario - i queue in the left lane and when a queue jumper comes up along side with their indicator on i ignore them and maintain my standard distance to car in front without leaving a large gap. If someone behind wants to let them in its up to them!
FFS it is not illegal to change lanes close the the merge/diverge point. Yes, it is not the most courteous of driving, but as long as they are not crossing a solid line, it is not illegal.
All this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a
if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?
Road captains. fking bellends, the lot of you.
All this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a
if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you. Maybe it’s a British thing to get upset at this.
I live in Toronto which has dense urban traffic and the usual line jumpers. I leave a normal amount of space in front of me and if the odd car gets in by jumping the line it adds possibly a second to my journey.
I drive reasonably quick cars so could spend time rapidly accelerating and braking to fill the gap . Since it has only a minuscule effect on my time I really fail to see the reason to get upset. There will always be such people who will break the rules.
I live in Toronto which has dense urban traffic and the usual line jumpers. I leave a normal amount of space in front of me and if the odd car gets in by jumping the line it adds possibly a second to my journey.
I drive reasonably quick cars so could spend time rapidly accelerating and braking to fill the gap . Since it has only a minuscule effect on my time I really fail to see the reason to get upset. There will always be such people who will break the rules.
OpulentBob said:
FFS it is not illegal to change lanes close the the merge/diverge point. Yes, it is not the most courteous of driving, but as long as they are not crossing a solid line, it is not illegal.
All this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?
Road captains. fking bellends, the lot of you.
When people are speeding past you to get ahead and forcing their way into the lane - even going so far as to purposely stop traffic in lane 2 waiting for someone to let them in, then is it not those idiots who can cause pile ups by aggressive braking and halting the flow of traffic simply because they are inconsiderate tAll this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a
if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you. ts!? All the while knowing full well of what they are doing....I don't agree with the OP but in the scenario i face each day it is the people pushing in who cause the danger not the people in a near stationary queue! The lack of lane discipline, general road awareness, and t
tish driving are just a few of the reasons why driving standards in the UK are lower than ever. ST270 said:
OpulentBob said:
FFS it is not illegal to change lanes close the the merge/diverge point. Yes, it is not the most courteous of driving, but as long as they are not crossing a solid line, it is not illegal.
All this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?
Road captains. fking bellends, the lot of you.
When people are speeding past you to get ahead and forcing their way into the lane - even going so far as to purposely stop traffic in lane 2 waiting for someone to let them in, then is it not those idiots who can cause pile ups by aggressive braking and halting the flow of traffic simply because they are inconsiderate tAll this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a
if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you. ts!? All the while knowing full well of what they are doing....I don't agree with the OP but in the scenario i face each day it is the people pushing in who cause the danger not the people in a near stationary queue! The lack of lane discipline, general road awareness, and t
tish driving are just a few of the reasons why driving standards in the UK are lower than ever. 
I can't be arsed getting wound up about folks "pushing in". If I let 30 cars "push in" front of me, afterwards when we are all running with out two second gaps, as if that ever actually happens - not, then only a minute behind where would gave been. It's certainly not worth jousting with vehicles, now that's stupid, as is deliberately creating situations so as to generate conflict.
Tyre Smoke said:
ST270 said:
OpulentBob said:
FFS it is not illegal to change lanes close the the merge/diverge point. Yes, it is not the most courteous of driving, but as long as they are not crossing a solid line, it is not illegal.
All this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?
Road captains. fking bellends, the lot of you.
When people are speeding past you to get ahead and forcing their way into the lane - even going so far as to purposely stop traffic in lane 2 waiting for someone to let them in, then is it not those idiots who can cause pile ups by aggressive braking and halting the flow of traffic simply because they are inconsiderate tAll this talk of "letting him in", as if you are the arbiter of the road, is the most dickish passive aggressive behaviour going.
It's these road captains that cause the aggression, the intolerance etc. The OP playing silly buggers is EXACTLY the behaviour that makes people want to get past them and get to the front of the queue, rather than sit behind them and watch them generate a gap, and then a bunching, and then a gap, and then a bunching etc.
Drive normally, and if you can let someone in to avoid a dodgy situation (regardless who is generating the dodgy situation) then do it. Don't be that berk that gets wound up by some perceived issue about "who's turn it is", and who then forces vehicles to stop in L2 - it makes you look a bit of a
if you are willing to generate a dangerous situation by deliberately blocking someone from pulling in. What if he caused an accident? Would you just drive off thinking "It's ALL his fault, tut tut"?Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you. ts!? All the while knowing full well of what they are doing....I don't agree with the OP but in the scenario i face each day it is the people pushing in who cause the danger not the people in a near stationary queue! The lack of lane discipline, general road awareness, and t
tish driving are just a few of the reasons why driving standards in the UK are lower than ever. My point is that cars don't merge they expect that they can push in to what is 90% of the time a stationary queue at a set of traffic lights. If you were queuing for a set of lights to change and had been for 10 minutes or so then would you like for multiple cars sat with their indicators on to force in front of you? Or would you perceive this as pushing in? Maybe its me getting things wrong!??
Edited to add that the vehicles wanting to get into the filter lane have to cross 2 lanes of traffic to get there because it isn't a merge in type of junction. For those fortunate enough not to live in the area - the junction is Dawson's Corner, Bradford
Edited by ST270 on Tuesday 29th May 13:51
Tyre Smoke said:
Which bit of "When queuing use both lanes" and "merge in turn" are you struggling to understand? Or perhaps we should meekly file into whichever lane miles before a merge point? There is nothing wrong with driving in lane 2 all the way to the merge point. It's fools like you that see yourselves as road captains 'allowing' drivers to 'push in' or not, causing the vehicles in lane 2 to come to a halt.
What is it about some people that they seem utterly unable to understand the concept of 'merge in turn/zip merge' even when it's explained to them?I can understand that it's typically not taught in driving lessons and if you don't know the concept you may well get 'triggered' by what appears to be someone 'pushing in' ... but you'd think when it's explained, people would be able to engage their brains and realise that it's the most sensible use of the road space.
Lucas Ayde said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Which bit of "When queuing use both lanes" and "merge in turn" are you struggling to understand? Or perhaps we should meekly file into whichever lane miles before a merge point? There is nothing wrong with driving in lane 2 all the way to the merge point. It's fools like you that see yourselves as road captains 'allowing' drivers to 'push in' or not, causing the vehicles in lane 2 to come to a halt.
What is it about some people that they seem utterly unable to understand the concept of 'merge in turn/zip merge' even when it's explained to them?I can understand that it's typically not taught in driving lessons and if you don't know the concept you may well get 'triggered' by what appears to be someone 'pushing in' ... but you'd think when it's explained, people would be able to engage their brains and realise that it's the most sensible use of the road space.
t simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.Every time I approach a merge point to see a half-mile queue in the left lane and often no vehicle in the right lane it makes me sigh as I imagine the self-inflicted anger and frustration many of those queueing are going to experience as I pass them on my way to the front.
Occasionally a road captain will then attempt to halt progress by moving right to straddle both lanes.
How stupid are they?
Why don't they learn?
Occasionally a road captain will then attempt to halt progress by moving right to straddle both lanes.
How stupid are they?
Why don't they learn?
soupdragon1 said:
Hatson said:
"I leave a very attractive gap, inviting them to cut in in a safe manner." You then accelerate into the gap to stop HIS dangerous manoeuvre.
It is hard to see the two wrongs here.
You're a bit late to come into the discussion, it's over now - thread was dying up til now, best just let it go. Original objective of discussions such as the tractor discussion earlier isn't interesting to anyone and there's no more to say that hasn't been said already when discussing the op. No reason to continue anymore to be honest.It is hard to see the two wrongs here.
There is a difference between merging in turn when all traffic is continuing in the same direction, and last moment lane changes to alter route.
Merging in turn is common sense, as long as everyone does it and it occurs smoothly without too much unnecessary slowing, courtesy or discourtesy. We are generally quite good at this I think. People even do it with T-junctions at congested times.
Last moment lane changes, particularly where lines of traffic have already formed, is at best poor planning, if not discourteous, and at worst it is dangerous 'cutting up'.
Some last minute changes happen when people are driving on unfamiliar routes, or where road marking or signs may be momentarily obscured etc. I would suggest most people have experienced this. It is, however, ultimately poor planning. On rare occasions it may be down to sub-opitmal road design and signage.
I think people probably get hacked off when they see what they *perceive* to be someone who has deliberately left the lane change to the last minute in order to avoid standing in the line. I think it is fair to be annoyed in this scenario. But, the appropriate response is to do nothing and drive normally, allowing space for that person to change lane if necessary to avoid them causing a hazard for following traffic.
How people sitting in the line perceive the people changing lanes late on is probably determined, rightly or wrongly, by various factors including:
- their speed
- car type
- pervious experience of that vehicle (eg if they see the same car every day whilst commuting)
If the *perception* is that the lane chang is due to a mistake, or a change of mind, I think most people will usually try to accommodate the lane changer.
If the *perception* is that the lane changer knows full well they need to be in lane X and have deliberately sought to avoid sitting in the line of traffic, I think a majority of people will be at least a little annoyed, and some will be hacked off enough to try to prevent of delay the lane change.
Merging in turn is common sense, as long as everyone does it and it occurs smoothly without too much unnecessary slowing, courtesy or discourtesy. We are generally quite good at this I think. People even do it with T-junctions at congested times.
Last moment lane changes, particularly where lines of traffic have already formed, is at best poor planning, if not discourteous, and at worst it is dangerous 'cutting up'.
Some last minute changes happen when people are driving on unfamiliar routes, or where road marking or signs may be momentarily obscured etc. I would suggest most people have experienced this. It is, however, ultimately poor planning. On rare occasions it may be down to sub-opitmal road design and signage.
I think people probably get hacked off when they see what they *perceive* to be someone who has deliberately left the lane change to the last minute in order to avoid standing in the line. I think it is fair to be annoyed in this scenario. But, the appropriate response is to do nothing and drive normally, allowing space for that person to change lane if necessary to avoid them causing a hazard for following traffic.
How people sitting in the line perceive the people changing lanes late on is probably determined, rightly or wrongly, by various factors including:
- their speed
- car type
- pervious experience of that vehicle (eg if they see the same car every day whilst commuting)
If the *perception* is that the lane chang is due to a mistake, or a change of mind, I think most people will usually try to accommodate the lane changer.
If the *perception* is that the lane changer knows full well they need to be in lane X and have deliberately sought to avoid sitting in the line of traffic, I think a majority of people will be at least a little annoyed, and some will be hacked off enough to try to prevent of delay the lane change.
Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 29th May 14:13
MaxSo said:
There is a difference between merging in turn when all traffic is continuing in the same direction, and last moment lane changes to alter route.
Merging in turn is common sense, as long as everyone does it and it occurs smoothly without too much unnecessary slowing, courtesy or discourtesy. We are generally quite good at this I think. People even do it with T-junctions at congested times.
Last moment lane changes, particularly where lines of traffic have already formed, is at best poor planning, if not discourteous, and at worst it is dangerous 'cutting up'.
Some last minute changes happen when people are driving on unfamiliar routes, or where road marking or signs may be momentarily obscured etc. I would suggest most people have experienced this. It is, however, ultimately poor planning. On rare occasions it may be down to sub-opitmal road design and signage.
I think people probably get hacked off when they see what they *perceive* to be someone who has deliberately left the lane change to the last minute in order to avoid standing in the line. I think it is fair to be annoyed in this scenario. But, the appropriate response is to do nothing and drive normally, allowing space for that person to change lane if necessary to avoid them causing a hazard for following traffic.
How people sitting in the line perceive the people changing lanes late on is probably determined, rightly or wrongly, by various factors including:
- their speed
- car type
- pervious experience of that vehicle (eg if they see the same car every day whilst commuting)
If the *perception* is that the lane chang is due to a mistake, or a change of mind, I think most people will usually try to accommodate the lane changer.
If the *perception* is that the lane changer knows full well they need to be in lane X and have deliberately sought to avoid sitting in the line of traffic, I think a majority of people will be at least a little annoyed, and some will be hacked off enough to try to prevent of delay the lane change.
Well put and agreed Merging in turn is common sense, as long as everyone does it and it occurs smoothly without too much unnecessary slowing, courtesy or discourtesy. We are generally quite good at this I think. People even do it with T-junctions at congested times.
Last moment lane changes, particularly where lines of traffic have already formed, is at best poor planning, if not discourteous, and at worst it is dangerous 'cutting up'.
Some last minute changes happen when people are driving on unfamiliar routes, or where road marking or signs may be momentarily obscured etc. I would suggest most people have experienced this. It is, however, ultimately poor planning. On rare occasions it may be down to sub-opitmal road design and signage.
I think people probably get hacked off when they see what they *perceive* to be someone who has deliberately left the lane change to the last minute in order to avoid standing in the line. I think it is fair to be annoyed in this scenario. But, the appropriate response is to do nothing and drive normally, allowing space for that person to change lane if necessary to avoid them causing a hazard for following traffic.
How people sitting in the line perceive the people changing lanes late on is probably determined, rightly or wrongly, by various factors including:
- their speed
- car type
- pervious experience of that vehicle (eg if they see the same car every day whilst commuting)
If the *perception* is that the lane chang is due to a mistake, or a change of mind, I think most people will usually try to accommodate the lane changer.
If the *perception* is that the lane changer knows full well they need to be in lane X and have deliberately sought to avoid sitting in the line of traffic, I think a majority of people will be at least a little annoyed, and some will be hacked off enough to try to prevent of delay the lane change.
Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 29th May 14:13
EazyDuz said:
OP isn't trying hard enough. When someone tries to push in front of me I use the PiT manouver, spinning him out and sending him flying into the barrier facing oncoming traffic.
Sure my car gets a bit dented but its an old Peugeot 406 estate with no tax or insurance
Sure my car gets a bit dented but its an old Peugeot 406 estate with no tax or insurance
Best way to do it. Especially if it's a range rover.
ST270 said:
When you have been queuing patiently in the legitimate lane for turning in the direction you need to go for quite some time and a tt simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.
Incredible -you *really* seem incapable of understanding how "Merge in turn" works and how it makes best use of the road space.t simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.Merging early makes the queue longer (simple intelligent thought will tell you that if traffic in both lanes drives right to the end point, the overall queue will be half as long as if everyone moved to a single lane in advance of where one lane ends) and also makes traffic go slower overall as loads of haphazard lane changes at random points slow things down, versus merging at the endpoint/designated merge point like the teeth of a zipper closing.
And at what point should traffic have merged in advance - presumably where YOU decided to do so .... Oh dear.
Agree with all those sensibly merging in turn. Here's a question for you though. Do you thank (e.g wave of the hand, flash of the hazards etc) the driver who allows you to merge? Personally I don't, and I think those that do express thanks are merely perpetuating the myth that those facilitating the merge are somehow 'doing you a favour' by 'letting you in' rather than just driving correctly.
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