Do you ever 'self-police' the roads?
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OpulentBob said:
FFS it is not illegal to change lanes close the the merge/diverge point. Yes, it is not the most courteous of driving, but as long as they are not crossing a solid line, it is not illegal.
Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you.
So you and they would have no problem in cutting in front of a marked police car in this situation would you?Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you. Something tell me you and they would wimp out as soon as they spotted the police car and cut in well before they got to the police car.
So much for the illegality, I think anyone doing it would be informed by said police officers that they were potentially 'careless driving' or driving without 'due care and attention'.
Edited by Tigger2050 on Tuesday 29th May 20:36
Toyoda said:
Agree with all those sensibly merging in turn. Here's a question for you though. Do you thank (e.g wave of the hand, flash of the hazards etc) the driver who allows you to merge? Personally I don't, and I think those that do express thanks are merely perpetuating the myth that those facilitating the merge are somehow 'doing you a favour' by 'letting you in' rather than just driving correctly.
No, not when it is actually a merging in turn scenario (ie where all cars are already, and will continue to be, going in the same direction).I do thank when being left space to emerge from the minor road at a congested T-junction. In London, and maybe other places too, it seems fairly accepted practice to "merge in turn" at a T-junction by allowing 1 vehicle at a time the space to emerge from the minor road. Otherwise all vehicles on the minor road would literally get nowhere.
I also thank on the rare occasion I have mistakenly not seen a sign or road marking and have not moved into the correct lane for a change of route early enough. In these scenarios, it was ulimtaly my error that led to the need to make a late lane change and unintentionally skip past people who had been waiting in the correct lane for longer.
As per an earlier post I made, there is a difference between the scenarios, and I think some (not you) in this thread are confusing them with each other.
Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 29th May 22:41
Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 29th May 22:42
You cant educate/teach a lesson to every other driver, and anyway it isnt a given you are right anyway.
Myself and three other cars gave a hint to the pillock plodding in lane 2 on a dual carriageway in his Duster earlier, mile after mile, you cant have both lanes by blocking the right one on the understanding nobody is allowed to go up the inside, a lot wont but some will, move over unless overtaking or preparing to turn right, its pretty simple you plank and nobody gives a shot about your bottom lip going at how unfair it is !
Myself and three other cars gave a hint to the pillock plodding in lane 2 on a dual carriageway in his Duster earlier, mile after mile, you cant have both lanes by blocking the right one on the understanding nobody is allowed to go up the inside, a lot wont but some will, move over unless overtaking or preparing to turn right, its pretty simple you plank and nobody gives a shot about your bottom lip going at how unfair it is !
Tigger2050 said:
OpulentBob said:
FFS it is not illegal to change lanes close the the merge/diverge point. Yes, it is not the most courteous of driving, but as long as they are not crossing a solid line, it is not illegal.
Road captains. fking bellends, the lot of you.
So you and they would have no problem in cutting in front of a marked police car in this situation would you?Road captains. f
king bellends, the lot of you. Something tell me you and they would wimp out as soon as they spotted the police car and cut in well before they got to the police car.
So much for the illegality, I think anyone doing it would be informed by said police officers that they were potentially 'careless driving' or driving without 'due care and attention'.
Edited by Tigger2050 on Tuesday 29th May 20:36
k your hypothetical Police car. Yes I would continue to the front of the right hand lane to the merge point. They are as stupid as everyone else in your scenario.
cmaguire said:
fk your hypothetical Police car. Yes I would continue to the front of the right hand lane to the merge point.
They are as stupid as everyone else in your scenario.
Course you would. We all believe you!k your hypothetical Police car. Yes I would continue to the front of the right hand lane to the merge point. They are as stupid as everyone else in your scenario.
By the way the situation was a motorway splitting two ways and someone moving from the lanes going right into the lanes going left at the last minute. What merge point are you on about?
Not to that degree. If i'm in the inside lane for example and sat on cruise control gaining on someone (needlessly) in the middle lane, i'll pull out into the middle lane behind them and flash them for a second or two before moving to third lane to overtake and then back to the inside lane. Sometimes give them hazards as i move back across too. dheads.
heads. Before anyone else comments in this thread, take a moment to think and understand the difference between:
Scenario 1)
A road with x lanes merging into x-1 lanes, but all traffic continuing in the same direction on the same road.
And,
Scenario 2)
A road which has a lane (or lanes) that will take traffic in a different direction, so that some traffic will continue on the original road, and some traffic will continue onto a different road in a different direction.
On one of these, merging in turn is often appropriate.
On the other, it is not.
Scenario 1)
A road with x lanes merging into x-1 lanes, but all traffic continuing in the same direction on the same road.
And,
Scenario 2)
A road which has a lane (or lanes) that will take traffic in a different direction, so that some traffic will continue on the original road, and some traffic will continue onto a different road in a different direction.
On one of these, merging in turn is often appropriate.
On the other, it is not.
Lucas Ayde said:
ST270 said:
When you have been queuing patiently in the legitimate lane for turning in the direction you need to go for quite some time and a tt simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.
Incredible -you *really* seem incapable of understanding how "Merge in turn" works and how it makes best use of the road space.t simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.ST270 said:
... there is a section of road which is use on the commute - end of a dual carriageway - left lane turns to left filter lane, middle for straight on, right for right.
The left filter lane only opens up about 300 meters before the traffic lights so there are inevitably long queues in the left lane. The right lane continues to speed along and people dangerously shoot into gaps and force their way in to avoid queues. What is really frustrating is those drivers who queue for a bit in the left lane - get bored and move to the right lane overtake a line of queuing traffic- then force their way back into the queue further down - at this point however they are crossing two lanes to get back to the left filter!
Can you really not manage to visualise that ? Where does Merge in Turn come into the discussion ?The left filter lane only opens up about 300 meters before the traffic lights so there are inevitably long queues in the left lane. The right lane continues to speed along and people dangerously shoot into gaps and force their way in to avoid queues. What is really frustrating is those drivers who queue for a bit in the left lane - get bored and move to the right lane overtake a line of queuing traffic- then force their way back into the queue further down - at this point however they are crossing two lanes to get back to the left filter!
Flibble said:
EazyDuz said:
OP isn't trying hard enough. When someone tries to push in front of me I use the PiT manouver, spinning him out and sending him flying into the barrier facing oncoming traffic.
Sure my car gets a bit dented but its an old Peugeot 406 estate with no tax or insurance
Sure my car gets a bit dented but its an old Peugeot 406 estate with no tax or insurance
Best way to do it. Especially if it's a range rover.
Lucas Ayde said:
ST270 said:
When you have been queuing patiently in the legitimate lane for turning in the direction you need to go for quite some time and a tt simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.
Incredible -you *really* seem incapable of understanding how "Merge in turn" works and how it makes best use of the road space.t simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.Merging early makes the queue longer (simple intelligent thought will tell you that if traffic in both lanes drives right to the end point, the overall queue will be half as long as if everyone moved to a single lane in advance of where one lane ends) and also makes traffic go slower overall as loads of haphazard lane changes at random points slow things down, versus merging at the endpoint/designated merge point like the teeth of a zipper closing.
And at what point should traffic have merged in advance - presumably where YOU decided to do so .... Oh dear.
ts who cut in from lane three - thereby crossing 2 full lanes to get to the left filter lane at the last minute.... I wouldn't call this merging - would you?? At what point should they have merged to go left - we certainly not within 10 meters of the traffic lights as this causes excessive braking, holding others up and cutting into flowing traffic but how about where the left hand filter lane begins about 300 meters back..... Edited by ST270 on Wednesday 30th May 08:56
Toyoda said:
Agree with all those sensibly merging in turn. Here's a question for you though. Do you thank (e.g wave of the hand, flash of the hazards etc) the driver who allows you to merge? Personally I don't, and I think those that do express thanks are merely perpetuating the myth that those facilitating the merge are somehow 'doing you a favour' by 'letting you in' rather than just driving correctly.
100% agree with this, no thanks from me, unless I've been blocked by someone and someone else has made room for me.I'm a bus driver and most drivers are defensive, indicating when it's their right of way, as if they're asking for permission, then along comes me.. ha
ST270 said:
Lucas Ayde said:
ST270 said:
When you have been queuing patiently in the legitimate lane for turning in the direction you need to go for quite some time and a tt simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.
Incredible -you *really* seem incapable of understanding how "Merge in turn" works and how it makes best use of the road space.t simply thinks it is their right to turn their car across the front of your car at the last minute, then i don;t see why one should be tolerant of this. I agree with making the most sensible use of the road space and in this scenario they should have merged further back down the queue like most do and not expected to get over 2 lanes of traffic like it is their right to do so.Merging early makes the queue longer (simple intelligent thought will tell you that if traffic in both lanes drives right to the end point, the overall queue will be half as long as if everyone moved to a single lane in advance of where one lane ends) and also makes traffic go slower overall as loads of haphazard lane changes at random points slow things down, versus merging at the endpoint/designated merge point like the teeth of a zipper closing.
And at what point should traffic have merged in advance - presumably where YOU decided to do so .... Oh dear.
ts who cut in from lane three - thereby crossing 2 full lanes to get to the left filter lane at the last minute.... I wouldn't call this merging - would you?? At what point should they have merged to go left - we certainly not within 10 meters of the traffic lights as this causes excessive braking, holding others up and cutting into flowing traffic but how about where the left hand filter lane begins about 300 meters back..... Edited by ST270 on Wednesday 30th May 08:56
Which is ok...until they start criticising people who are obviously instead are clearly talking about late divers and swervers at slip roads (where there is no merger, just some
deciding to drive down the side of a non merger queue).Not a merge in turn scenario!!!
Ffs
wolf1 said:
Life's too short for getting uptight about queue jumpers etc. If a car runs to the front of the line and then indicates to pull in I'll let it in and not let it wind me up. It won't cost me more than a second or two and I'll happily get on with my day with no stress.
Bah!! Sensible comments have no place here!! mattyn1 said:
wolf1 said:
Life's too short for getting uptight about queue jumpers etc. If a car runs to the front of the line and then indicates to pull in I'll let it in and not let it wind me up. It won't cost me more than a second or two and I'll happily get on with my day with no stress.
Bah!! Sensible comments have no place here!! When a queue jumper commits such a heinous misdeed the correct PH response is to immediately vacate the automobile, leaving it in the capable hands of the help. Remove your left hand glove and slap the miscreant in the face sternly saying "Sir, I demand satisfaction". The challenge is issued and cannot be refused or rescinded by honourable men. The choice of weapons is his, but the choice of battlefield is yours. Once vanquished, it is appropriate to stand over the corpse of your transgressor and sneer, but not to spit or make disparaging remarks about their character.
Point scoring on the roads is a National hobby. With the rise of personal cameras you’ve got a particularly nasty infantile breed who like misquoting the Highway Code or taking pleasure in fault finding and or reporting. Normally missing out alsorts of juicy bits like defensive driving, hazard awareness and other goodies that would make bks of their roadside policing seshes. I think these people always had these traits and the cameras and tell tail tit culture is catnip to them.
I think the OP is on the wind and it’s worked looking at this thread
. I tend to use the roads like cars are wasps. Just stay away from the Buggers at all costs so they don’t smash up my car .
ks of their roadside policing seshes. I think these people always had these traits and the cameras and tell tail tit culture is catnip to them.I think the OP is on the wind and it’s worked looking at this thread
. I tend to use the roads like cars are wasps. Just stay away from the Buggers at all costs so they don’t smash up my car . Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff