RE: The ?100k Sagaris: Spotted

RE: The ?100k Sagaris: Spotted

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Ian_C

193 posts

211 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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SimonTheSailor said:
'Flawless service record' ? - it's had 4 services in 13 years ?
Likewise, those Goodyear Eagle GSD3s went out of production around 10 years ago, hence with just 5000 on the clock, there is a high chance those are the original 13 year old tyres?

Edit - GSD3 not GSD3!

Edited by Ian_C on Wednesday 23 May 11:53

raceboy

13,119 posts

281 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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This garage is quite local to me, and a regular in the 'Seriously Overpriced' thread, they really do like to push the envelope on their prices of anything 'rare' but their stock does change so they must be selling something to someone for 'some' money. scratchchin
When I was looking for the Vantage their prices were more expensive than the main dealer for cars that IMHO weren't prepped that well.

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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wasn't that long ago they were £35k
lovely looking cars imo

DonkeyApple

55,402 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Krikkit said:
Jonny TVR said:
They are all flawed in the handling department due to the chassis. No amount of money spent on suspension will change that. However I love everything about them even the smell!
Do you think that includes the Sag? (And to a lesser extent the T350)

It was very well reviewed against its peers at the time.
Both right really but the T350 and Sag were much better handling cars than the Griff/Chimp.

Byker28i

60,106 posts

218 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Ian_C said:
SimonTheSailor said:
'Flawless service record' ? - it's had 4 services in 13 years ?
Likewise, those Goodyear Eagle GSD3s went out of production around 10 years ago, hence with just 5000 on the clock, there is a high chance those are the original 13 year old tyres?

Edit - GSD3 not GSD3!
Wasn't this the car that was for sale for a while at Hexham and didnt sell?

peteA

2,681 posts

235 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Yep, was at HHC for a while and for less!

Jonny TVR

4,534 posts

282 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
Both right really but the T350 and Sag were much better handling cars than the Griff/Chimp.
Yes but still hugely flawed as my Tuscan 2S was

Byker28i

60,106 posts

218 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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peteA said:
Yep, was at HHC for a while and for less!
£72k from memory?

DonkeyApple

55,402 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Jonny TVR said:
DonkeyApple said:
Both right really but the T350 and Sag were much better handling cars than the Griff/Chimp.
Yes but still hugely flawed as my Tuscan 2S was
I don’t believe that to be the case. The Sag has the different front set up taken from the Typhon development.

DonkeyApple

55,402 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Byker28i said:
peteA said:
Yep, was at HHC for a while and for less!
£72k from memory?
I think this highlights why TVR prices haven’t moved forward with the main classic market in reality. The TVR dealers just aren’t geared up to selling premium goods in the same way as a glitzy modern dealer is. Different attitude, different skills, different locations and different audience.

Being brutally honest, when your out to spend over £100k on a car you just aren’t ever going to be inspired to do so at any of the traditional TVR vendors. They are geared for the other end of the market.

Big GT

1,816 posts

93 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Krikkit said:
Jonny TVR said:
They are all flawed in the handling department due to the chassis. No amount of money spent on suspension will change that. However I love everything about them even the smell!
Do you think that includes the Sag? (And to a lesser extent the T350)

It was very well reviewed against its peers at the time.
These are race chassis with a light body. Sag/ Tuscan/ t'cars will out grip and change direction quicker than most things. To coin a worn out phase go karts for the road.

Not as forgiving or as fluid as a lotus or Porsche though.

£ 100k . Comparing this to the modern classic market especially what cosworths, 911's, Ferrari then not suprising.

Comparing though to T350's Tuscans at under half the price seems expensive.

Jonny TVR

4,534 posts

282 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
I don’t believe that to be the case. The Sag has the different front set up taken from the Typhon development.
Would be interested to know what the difference is

swisstoni

17,032 posts

280 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
Byker28i said:
peteA said:
Yep, was at HHC for a while and for less!
£72k from memory?
I think this highlights why TVR prices haven’t moved forward with the main classic market in reality. The TVR dealers just aren’t geared up to selling premium goods in the same way as a glitzy modern dealer is. Different attitude, different skills, different locations and different audience.

Being brutally honest, when your out to spend over £100k on a car you just aren’t ever going to be inspired to do so at any of the traditional TVR vendors. They are geared for the other end of the market.
Almost single-handedly Str8Six championed the Sagaris, started prepping them to absolute perfection and advertising them in an attractive manner for a highish price. And in that tiny market, it worked.

I think the same could be done for other models and probably will in the future. A perfectly presented TVR of any type is still a very attractive vehicle.

Jonny TVR

4,534 posts

282 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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swisstoni said:
Almost single-handedly Str8Six championed the Sagaris, started prepping them to absolute perfection and advertising them in an attractive manner for a highish price. And in that tiny market, it worked.

I think the same could be done for other models and probably will in the future. A perfectly presented TVR of any type is still a very attractive vehicle.
I think they have already started doing it with other models like the Griff .. I've seen two they have/ are marketing at £45K

DonkeyApple

55,402 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Jonny TVR said:
Would be interested to know what the difference is
The Sag has different suspension pick-up points on the chassis which lowers the c of g and also widens the track.

DonkeyApple

55,402 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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That's Lamborghini LP-560 money.

No.

rtz62

3,370 posts

156 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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I’m a huge TVR fan, but seriously, I think this is overpriced.
However, the caveat would be, could you find another with such low mileage?
But the caveat t that is that if you drive it much, it becomes the same as any other Sag.
Would I buy it?
No, and the reason being I’d look to be buying from one of thr acknowledged TVR specialists who know the cars, offer a warranty that will be correct for the car that it is etc.
Parkway is a 5 min walk from my mums place, and I’ve popped in a handful of times.
Some of the cars are well prepped, some are not to the standard one would expect, but I guess that holds true of most places to be fair.
As for prices, I agree that they are at the top end of the market plus 10%+, But like 4star Classics (whom I often wonder if they are sponsors of PH, their stock appears so often) or KGF, they seem to be pushing the envelope and then some.
I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking (and waits for the sighs) in thinking you could get a bloody nice Ferrari 328 qV, or a 911 Turbo for the same money. Ok, the driving experience in both of those examples is vastly different, but even as a TVR lover I think I’d rather have one of those...

DonkeyApple

55,402 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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I suspect there is a general assumption that the target buyer is the chap who only has £100k and can only have one car. In reality, I suspect the typical buyer is someone who already has things like Ferrari’s and Porches and just wants another toy.

Whitean3

2,185 posts

199 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Looks a bit 'normal' in grey; a Sagaris needs to be a lairy colour, like Don1's for example- then they truly do look like 100K worth, given the rarity, looks and performance. Needs to be properly fettled however!