Money is no object, you may buy three new cars. What?
Discussion
ultrastapler said:
Trying to cover all the bases:
surprized the T50 hasn't figured more often, So- Bentley Continental GT - long distances
- Honda e - pottering about town
- GM T50 - for everything fun
T50 for special occasions
Alpine A110 for most 2 up stuff
Cupra Leon Estate for boring stuff
Loving the number of mentions of the B5 Touring in this thread. Mine's an old one but I absolutely love her, they really are something special. I stuck the new one in my earlier choices as the thread said new only but i'd happily just keep mine as the 193mph is still 'enough' 
Hoping to get over to Germany next year as this year looking unlikely and I think that will be a good time to do a readers cars thread
Hoping to get over to Germany next year as this year looking unlikely and I think that will be a good time to do a readers cars threadAlpina B5 Touring springs instantly to mind for the family duties
Caterham 7 of some description for fun. Not well up enough on the current range to name one but I suspect a mid powered one is the sweet spot as it always has been.
Genuinely struggling for a third. Modern supercars do nothing for me at all, and I can’t think of a situation that wouldn’t be covered by one of the other two. Perhaps a hot hatch (CTR?)
Caterham 7 of some description for fun. Not well up enough on the current range to name one but I suspect a mid powered one is the sweet spot as it always has been.
Genuinely struggling for a third. Modern supercars do nothing for me at all, and I can’t think of a situation that wouldn’t be covered by one of the other two. Perhaps a hot hatch (CTR?)
Interesting that even with unlimited budget, so few on here have picked the £1m+ hypercars. GM's T50 might be different but maybe most of them just don't hold that much appeal for petrolheads.
I'll base my list on assuming I have nothing else in the garage.
If Singers are allowed I'm going for a DK engineering 250 GT SWB.
Lotus Elise 240
Alpina B5 Touring
That will do nicely thank you.
I'll base my list on assuming I have nothing else in the garage.
If Singers are allowed I'm going for a DK engineering 250 GT SWB.
Lotus Elise 240
Alpina B5 Touring
That will do nicely thank you.
The problem with >£1m supercars is that they're not actually usable cars.
Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're b
ksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.
Not for me thanks.
Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're b
ksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.Not for me thanks.
Ambleton said:
The problem with >£1m supercars is that they're not actually usable cars.
Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're bksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.
Not for me thanks.
Are they really any less usable than £250k cars, or £125k cars?Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're b
ksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.Not for me thanks.
Most aren't going to bottom out on normal roads, and even if you do get the occasional scrape under the front splitter that's fine, they're designed to take it. As for width, a McLaren P1 is 1.95m wide, 9cm more than a Supra, which isn't really a huge amount.
Ambleton said:
The problem with >£1m supercars is that they're not actually usable cars.
Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're bksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.
Not for me thanks.
Me neither. An electric kombi van with a decent range appeals to me far more. Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're b
ksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.Not for me thanks.
I think I'll break the trend a bit...
1. Dacia Duster 1.3TCE 4x4 - daily drive, supermarket, school run, tip run etc. Don't need to worry about this - it's not worth much so supermarket car park dents won't worry me, and it's tough enough to take loads of abuse.
2. Porsche 992 Targa 4s - I like roof open motoring, and this has the coolest roof out there. Plus it's a 911.
3. Panamera GTS Turismo - fantastic mile muncher for long distance drives.
1. Dacia Duster 1.3TCE 4x4 - daily drive, supermarket, school run, tip run etc. Don't need to worry about this - it's not worth much so supermarket car park dents won't worry me, and it's tough enough to take loads of abuse.
2. Porsche 992 Targa 4s - I like roof open motoring, and this has the coolest roof out there. Plus it's a 911.
3. Panamera GTS Turismo - fantastic mile muncher for long distance drives.
Northernboy said:
Ambleton said:
The problem with >£1m supercars is that they're not actually usable cars.
Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're bksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.
Not for me thanks.
Are they really any less usable than £250k cars, or £125k cars?Insurance would cripple you, parts would all need to be made to order one off specials from unobtanium. Have a ding or a scrape and you're b
ksed. Couldn't leave it out anywhere for the fear it would be touched or damaged. They're so wide and so low and so fast that you actually can't use anywhere near the performance they have to offer unless you're on track.Not for me thanks.
Most aren't going to bottom out on normal roads, and even if you do get the occasional scrape under the front splitter that's fine, they're designed to take it. As for width, a McLaren P1 is 1.95m wide, 9cm more than a Supra, which isn't really a huge amount.
When you get into £1m+ cars the number of bespoke parts goes through the roof. Instead of a part machined in aluminium it gets machined or 3D laser sinter 3d printed in titanium etc. Instead of using a standard M10 steel bolt, then you can lose some weight by going to an M11 fine pitch Ti bolt that's hollow etc (not an actual example but you get the idea).
I have worked on projects where we changed the entire vehicle from standard fixings to bespoke Ti fixings where it wasn't absolutely critical for strength to save weight etc.
The BOM cost of a £200k car will be close to £100k. The BOM cost of a £1.5m car will be circa £1.2m.
Damage a wheel on a £150k car and a replacement will cost you a few grand tops. Damage a carbon wheel on a £1.5m car and the cost will be £10-£20k, assuming that when the wheel explodes into a million pieces it doesn't do any other damage.
Edited by Ambleton on Tuesday 25th May 13:09
Ambleton said:
Yes. £150-250k cars ussually use generic or mass produced components for the most part, standard bearing sizes, electrical connectors, nuts bolts and washers, high performance off the shelf brakes.
When you get into £1m+ cars the number of bespoke parts goes through the roof. Instead of a part machined in aluminium it gets machined or 3D laser sinter 3d printed in titanium etc. Instead of using a standard M10 steel bolt, then you can lose some weight by going to an M11 fine pitch Ti bolt that's hollow etc (not an actual example but you get the idea).
I’m not really buying that this is the case, there’s precious little that’s likely to break on my car that’s mass produced, and no reason to assume that higher-end manufacturers don’t keep a similar stockpile of spares to manufacturers of £250k cars.When you get into £1m+ cars the number of bespoke parts goes through the roof. Instead of a part machined in aluminium it gets machined or 3D laser sinter 3d printed in titanium etc. Instead of using a standard M10 steel bolt, then you can lose some weight by going to an M11 fine pitch Ti bolt that's hollow etc (not an actual example but you get the idea).
Do you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
Northernboy said:
I’m not really buying that this is the case, there’s precious little that’s likely to break on my car that’s mass produced, and no reason to assume that higher-end manufacturers don’t keep a similar stockpile of spares to manufacturers of £250k cars.
Do you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
maybe, maybe not but they do use their own bolt designs at vast expenseDo you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
https://www.motorbeam.com/pagani-huayra-bolt-set-c...
money no object I'd still have a £1m+ hypercar because how else would you ever get the chance at using one of these cars. even if it was just until the first repair bill.
Northernboy said:
I’m not really buying that this is the case, there’s precious little that’s likely to break on my car that’s mass produced, and no reason to assume that higher-end manufacturers don’t keep a similar stockpile of spares to manufacturers of £250k cars.
Do you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
Electrical connectors was probably a poor example in fairness.Do you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
Even high end "mass produced" cars like Aston Martin DBS etc are all engineered to withstand a fair amount of abuse and long component life cycles.
When you get into the >£1.5m cars suspension items, hubs, driveshafts etc are all lifed and have relatively short life. We're talking hundreds of hours here, not tens of thousands of hours like your average road cars.
Making stuff strong to deal with 200k abuse loads cycles makes stuff heavy. To make it lightweight then generally you reduce the number of abuse cycles and make it from exotic materials, in a process that can't be done in a mass produced environment.
The amount of design that goes into a ford focus is much more detailed than the design that goes into creating a £1.5m hypercar.
Ambleton said:
Northernboy said:
I’m not really buying that this is the case, there’s precious little that’s likely to break on my car that’s mass produced, and no reason to assume that higher-end manufacturers don’t keep a similar stockpile of spares to manufacturers of £250k cars.
Do you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
Electrical connectors was probably a poor example in fairness.Do you really think that Pagani’s using non-standard electrical connectors?
Even high end "mass produced" cars like Aston Martin DBS etc are all engineered to withstand a fair amount of abuse and long component life cycles.
When you get into the >£1.5m cars suspension items, hubs, driveshafts etc are all lifed and have relatively short life. We're talking hundreds of hours here, not tens of thousands of hours like your average road cars.
Making stuff strong to deal with 200k abuse loads cycles makes stuff heavy. To make it lightweight then generally you reduce the number of abuse cycles and make it from exotic materials, in a process that can't be done in a mass produced environment.
The amount of design that goes into a ford focus is much more detailed than the design that goes into creating a £1.5m hypercar.
Ambleton said:
Electrical connectors was probably a poor example in fairness.
Even high end "mass produced" cars like Aston Martin DBS etc are all engineered to withstand a fair amount of abuse and long component life cycles.
When you get into the >£1.5m cars suspension items, hubs, driveshafts etc are all lifed and have relatively short life. We're talking hundreds of hours here, not tens of thousands of hours like your average road cars.
Making stuff strong to deal with 200k abuse loads cycles makes stuff heavy. To make it lightweight then generally you reduce the number of abuse cycles and make it from exotic materials, in a process that can't be done in a mass produced environment.
The amount of design that goes into a ford focus is much more detailed than the design that goes into creating a £1.5m hypercar.
But we’re not comparing with a focus here, I’m thinking if the difference between my everyday-usable 650s, that would have been £250,000 new, and a P1.Even high end "mass produced" cars like Aston Martin DBS etc are all engineered to withstand a fair amount of abuse and long component life cycles.
When you get into the >£1.5m cars suspension items, hubs, driveshafts etc are all lifed and have relatively short life. We're talking hundreds of hours here, not tens of thousands of hours like your average road cars.
Making stuff strong to deal with 200k abuse loads cycles makes stuff heavy. To make it lightweight then generally you reduce the number of abuse cycles and make it from exotic materials, in a process that can't be done in a mass produced environment.
The amount of design that goes into a ford focus is much more detailed than the design that goes into creating a £1.5m hypercar.
I don’t think that there’s really much difference in usability.
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