“Classics are for people who can’t afford supercars”

[corozin]

I know someone with an F40 who regards people like your 458-owning mate as the kind of person as someone to avoid at shows.

[Deep Thought]

161BMW said:

A supercar owning 458 person said to me today “Classics are for people who can’t afford supercars”

I didn’t know whether to laugh or pretend to nod in agreement. I did dare him to post on Ferrari chat or Pistonheads and try to educate him about not just the new cars but also the classics. I highly doubt he will post will see.

Not only that he wants to buy a new car because his mates Lambo Hurucan is 0.2 second quicker than him from the traffic lights. I tried to explain to him so what if someone quicker it doesn’t mean anything. Couldn’t get through to him and he was diverting off topic as he was losing the argument.

Discuss. “Classics are for people who can’t afford supercars”

Edited by 161BMW on Friday 25th May 18:19

He sounds like a dick quite frankly.

[161BMW]

He was asking me for “advice” on whether he should upgrade his 458 to 488. Not sure why he would ask me. Lol

I said personally I wouldn’t I keep the 458 or well change it to F355 Manual, 575M Manual, 360 Challenge Stradele, F430 Scuderia, 458 Speciale or F40, F50. However, those are too old or too raw and can’t be used everyday like a 458 according to him. Not sure how true that is as he uses a bmw as his everyday car I think. He is only interested in new things. Even dismisses a McLaren F1 as possibly the greatest hypercar of all time. Looks down on bmw classics like E30s. The guy makes me laugh. He got quite angry when he saw this thread. Pathetic really.

[Axeboy]

I dont know why but the older I get, and the more money I have I actually find I'm getting much more enjoyment from cheaper cars

[av185]

The answer lies in the mix.

One only appreciates the virtues of a 'supercar' if you have a couple of nice snotters or as the beards say 'classics' too.

And much pleasure can be had from both.

[MDL111]

valiant said:

A lot of classic Ferrari's are worth a hell of a lot more than a mere 458 plus have a damn sight more class as well.

Classic ownership is not all Morris Minors and VW beetles. (Which can still be worth loads)

Recently read a thread about a Beetle that was worth more than a 458 (got to admit I was a little surprised about the value, rare early car)

[MDL111]

161BMW said:

He was asking me for “advice” on whether he should upgrade his 458 to 488. Not sure why he would ask me. Lol

I said personally I wouldn’t I keep the 458 or well change it to F355 Manual, 575M Manual, 360 Challenge Stradele, F430 Scuderia, 458 Speciale or F40, F50. However, those are too old or too raw and can’t be used everyday like a 458 according to him. Not sure how true that is as he uses a bmw as his everyday car I think. He is only interested in new things. Even dismisses a McLaren F1 as possibly the greatest hypercar of all time. Looks down on bmw classics like E30s. The guy makes me laugh. He got quite angry when he saw this thread. Pathetic really.

A McLaren might be up his street - modern, fast, “flashy” doors (faster than his mate’s Huracan too)

[MC Bodge]

Axeboy said:

I dont know why but the older I get, and the more money I have I actually find I'm getting much more enjoyment from cheaper cars

The pleasure is in the doing not the buying/owning.

A Berlingo in mountains is quite probably more fun than a Ferrari in Manchester.

[av185]

MDL111 said:

Recently read a thread about a Beetle that was worth more than a 458 (got to admit I was a little surprised about the value, rare early car)

But let's face it anyone paying over 458 money for an ancient decepid bronchitic Beetle simply confirms they have more money than sense furthermore value does not equate to driving pleasure or ability.

Could always buy a proper supercar modern 'Beetle' for that money anyway.

New supercar v classic?

A no brainer for new supercar.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 26th May 21:59

[corozin]

MDL111 said:

valiant said:

A lot of classic Ferrari's are worth a hell of a lot more than a mere 458 plus have a damn sight more class as well.

Classic ownership is not all Morris Minors and VW beetles. (Which can still be worth loads)

Recently read a thread about a Beetle that was worth more than a 458 (got to admit I was a little surprised about the value, rare early car)

That is so true! That comment reminded me of a moment at the La Vie En Rose festival at Prescott a couple of years ago standing in front of a pair of Veyrons on display (yes - those two Veyrons) when I heard someone say "well they're lovely but they're also probably the two cheapest Bugattis here today...

[DoubleD]

Its a shame that we cant celebrate these cars, rather than just coming up with stereotypes for their owners.

[DonkeyApple]

av185 said:

But let's face it anyone paying over 458 money for an ancient decepid bronchitic Beetle simply confirms they have more money than sense furthermore value does not equate to driving pleasure or ability.

Could always buy a proper supercar modern 'Beetle' for that money anyway.

New supercar v classic?

A no brainer for new supercar.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 26th May 21:59

The Beetle is way rarer and cooler in London though. If I walked passed that I’d smile at seeing the Beetle and the Porsche would just remind me that you’re never too far away from a dentist, accountant, estate agent or junior broker in London.

[Labradorofperception]

That Porsche is rank.

Beetle please.

458 man - best to say if your only achievement in life is your car, then you're a massively sad .

[swisstoni]

Must be hard to be on the treadmill like the OPs ‘mate’
His car is not the latest and greatest for long and he has to keep up. Ferrari require people like that.
Good luck to him

[av185]

DonkeyApple said:

av185 said:

But let's face it anyone paying over 458 money for an ancient decepid bronchitic Beetle simply confirms they have more money than sense furthermore value does not equate to driving pleasure or ability.

Could always buy a proper supercar modern 'Beetle' for that money anyway.

New supercar v classic?

A no brainer for new supercar.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 26th May 21:59

The Beetle is way rarer and cooler in London though. If I walked passed that I’d smile at seeing the Beetle and the Porsche would just remind me that you’re never too far away from a dentist, accountant, estate agent or junior broker in London.

Fair enough if thats what you think that confirms the stereotypical view in London at least.

But by mentioning the Beetles rarity and perceived cool value from others are you not simply pandering primarily to what others think rather than from a drivers/owners involvement perspective of which the GT3 (RS) is unquestionably the better and way more capable car on so many levels?

[DoubleD]

av185 said:

DonkeyApple said:

av185 said:

But let's face it anyone paying over 458 money for an ancient decepid bronchitic Beetle simply confirms they have more money than sense furthermore value does not equate to driving pleasure or ability.

Could always buy a proper supercar modern 'Beetle' for that money anyway.

New supercar v classic?

A no brainer for new supercar.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 26th May 21:59

The Beetle is way rarer and cooler in London though. If I walked passed that I’d smile at seeing the Beetle and the Porsche would just remind me that you’re never too far away from a dentist, accountant, estate agent or junior broker in London.

Fair enough if thats what you think that confirms the stereotypical view in London at least.

But by mentioning the Beetles rarity and perceived cool value from others are you not simply pandering primarily to what others think rather than from a drivers/owners involvement perspective of which the GT3 (RS) is unquestionably the better and way more capable car on so many levels?

Its very fashionable at the moment on PH to moan about anything modern

[Labradorofperception]

I bet the Porsche driver puts his forearms under his knees when he sts.

[DonkeyApple]

DoubleD said:

av185 said:

DonkeyApple said:

av185 said:

But let's face it anyone paying over 458 money for an ancient decepid bronchitic Beetle simply confirms they have more money than sense furthermore value does not equate to driving pleasure or ability.

Could always buy a proper supercar modern 'Beetle' for that money anyway.

New supercar v classic?

A no brainer for new supercar.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 26th May 21:59

The Beetle is way rarer and cooler in London though. If I walked passed that I’d smile at seeing the Beetle and the Porsche would just remind me that you’re never too far away from a dentist, accountant, estate agent or junior broker in London.

Fair enough if thats what you think that confirms the stereotypical view in London at least.

But by mentioning the Beetles rarity and perceived cool value from others are you not simply pandering primarily to what others think rather than from a drivers/owners involvement perspective of which the GT3 (RS) is unquestionably the better and way more capable car on so many levels?

Its very fashionable at the moment on PH to moan about anything modern

No where near as fashionable as not reading a post properly and jumping to I’ll formed conclusions.

[DonkeyApple]

av185 said:

Fair enough if thats what you think that confirms the stereotypical view in London at least.

But by mentioning the Beetles rarity and perceived cool value from others are you not simply pandering primarily to what others think rather than from a drivers/owners involvement perspective of which the GT3 (RS) is unquestionably the better and way more capable car on so many levels?

Er, I’m merely pointing out that in London one of those cars is rare and cool and the other is ubiquitous and normal.

[DoubleD]

DonkeyApple said:

DoubleD said:

av185 said:

DonkeyApple said:

av185 said:

But let's face it anyone paying over 458 money for an ancient decepid bronchitic Beetle simply confirms they have more money than sense furthermore value does not equate to driving pleasure or ability.

Could always buy a proper supercar modern 'Beetle' for that money anyway.

New supercar v classic?

A no brainer for new supercar.

Edited by av185 on Saturday 26th May 21:59

The Beetle is way rarer and cooler in London though. If I walked passed that I’d smile at seeing the Beetle and the Porsche would just remind me that you’re never too far away from a dentist, accountant, estate agent or junior broker in London.

Fair enough if thats what you think that confirms the stereotypical view in London at least.

But by mentioning the Beetles rarity and perceived cool value from others are you not simply pandering primarily to what others think rather than from a drivers/owners involvement perspective of which the GT3 (RS) is unquestionably the better and way more capable car on so many levels?

Its very fashionable at the moment on PH to moan about anything modern

No where near as fashionable as not reading a post properly and jumping to I’ll formed conclusions.

If you say so