Sold vehicle privately - buyer wants me to pay for repairs
Discussion
"he lost all gears, it overheated, seized up and was on fire..."
I find this to be rather fascinating, in that unless I'm mistaken, the RS125 is a two-stroke, and while they're in the same case, the 'transmission' is actually separate from the 'engine', in that they don't share anything but an external pair of gears and the case itself.
In addition, I've either repaired or scrapped some extreme horror stories concerning blown-up 2-stroke...and 4-stroke bikes, and I've never seen a 2-stroke ever suffer through that level of failure.
Overheated, yes.
Seized up with a Nikasil cylinder? Once or twice, but those usually just turn the piston ring lands to goo first, as the Nikasil-plated bore can take a ridiculous amount of abuse, and still clean up with a light hone.
On fire? Unless that bike has a catalytic converter on it somewhere, there's not a whole lot on a 2-stroke to act as an ignition source, as a 2-stroke's exhaust is kinda sorta...oil cooled. There's a ridiculous amount of paranoia with the Forestry Service here in the states in regard to running spark arrestors on 2-stroke exhaust pipes when they're ran off-road, but there's no recorded history anywhere that I or others have been able to find where a 2-stroke has caused a fire through its exhaust, but they're required anyway.
The only other possibility is one of a fuel leak, and once again, there isn't anything that gets all that hot on a 2-stroke, unless he was running it at full-throttle in 1st gear, pinned as high as the engine would spin, and even then, I've seen serious meltdowns on sand trikes and ATV's running through deep sand, lean conditions causing meltdowns, etc, etc, I've never seen too many of them seize, that's usually a 4-stroke phenomenon.
I have a sneaking hunch that someone's trying to scam you, and I think that they've done it before.
This is why I prefer to scrap anything I own as opposed to selling it.
I find this to be rather fascinating, in that unless I'm mistaken, the RS125 is a two-stroke, and while they're in the same case, the 'transmission' is actually separate from the 'engine', in that they don't share anything but an external pair of gears and the case itself.
In addition, I've either repaired or scrapped some extreme horror stories concerning blown-up 2-stroke...and 4-stroke bikes, and I've never seen a 2-stroke ever suffer through that level of failure.
Overheated, yes.
Seized up with a Nikasil cylinder? Once or twice, but those usually just turn the piston ring lands to goo first, as the Nikasil-plated bore can take a ridiculous amount of abuse, and still clean up with a light hone.
On fire? Unless that bike has a catalytic converter on it somewhere, there's not a whole lot on a 2-stroke to act as an ignition source, as a 2-stroke's exhaust is kinda sorta...oil cooled. There's a ridiculous amount of paranoia with the Forestry Service here in the states in regard to running spark arrestors on 2-stroke exhaust pipes when they're ran off-road, but there's no recorded history anywhere that I or others have been able to find where a 2-stroke has caused a fire through its exhaust, but they're required anyway.
The only other possibility is one of a fuel leak, and once again, there isn't anything that gets all that hot on a 2-stroke, unless he was running it at full-throttle in 1st gear, pinned as high as the engine would spin, and even then, I've seen serious meltdowns on sand trikes and ATV's running through deep sand, lean conditions causing meltdowns, etc, etc, I've never seen too many of them seize, that's usually a 4-stroke phenomenon.
I have a sneaking hunch that someone's trying to scam you, and I think that they've done it before.
This is why I prefer to scrap anything I own as opposed to selling it.
Out of interest how much did this buyer pay for the Bike? Can't imagine it was much more that £750.
The Buyer is obvioulsy scamming you.... He's just not that clever about it. Play his game and bluff him. Tell him to take you to the small claims court. Thing is, he hasn't done any checks on the bike, he could have run out of oil but that's his issue for not checking. He hasn't asked if it's ever overheated, or partially seized or anything. This is something i'd always do on a 2-stroke. I'd also want to know what oil you've used.
You could also play his bluff..... if he's swapped the engine over for a dead one that he's previous blown up, tell him that the only way youll consider paying anyhting towards the rebuild is to send the engine back. Tell him you know the engine number and that you will be checking it. If he's really swapped the engine over he won't want to do that.
I can believe what he's saying about the gears etc failing.... when my RGV250 blew up, that seized a piston, locked the rear wheel and left a 50m skid mark down the road whilst I clambered back onboard and got the clutch in!!!! I was being a dick though and ignored all the signs of the engine not being happy. That was down to a duff oil injector/mixer not adding the 2-stroke to the fuel.
The Buyer is obvioulsy scamming you.... He's just not that clever about it. Play his game and bluff him. Tell him to take you to the small claims court. Thing is, he hasn't done any checks on the bike, he could have run out of oil but that's his issue for not checking. He hasn't asked if it's ever overheated, or partially seized or anything. This is something i'd always do on a 2-stroke. I'd also want to know what oil you've used.
You could also play his bluff..... if he's swapped the engine over for a dead one that he's previous blown up, tell him that the only way youll consider paying anyhting towards the rebuild is to send the engine back. Tell him you know the engine number and that you will be checking it. If he's really swapped the engine over he won't want to do that.
I can believe what he's saying about the gears etc failing.... when my RGV250 blew up, that seized a piston, locked the rear wheel and left a 50m skid mark down the road whilst I clambered back onboard and got the clutch in!!!! I was being a dick though and ignored all the signs of the engine not being happy. That was down to a duff oil injector/mixer not adding the 2-stroke to the fuel.
He later said than in fact it did not catch fire and it must have been steam. He's also sent a picture of a con rod that has snapped and a hole in the bottom of the engine where it partially went through the casing
I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
Gixxer_6er said:
He later said than in fact it did not catch fire and it must have been steam. He's also sent a picture of a con rod that has snapped and a hole in the bottom of the engine where it partially went through the casing
I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
That's someone over-revving the piss out of it, that's not you. I have a sneaking hunch that his previous bike was a lot faster, and rode accordingly. I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
Gixxer_6er said:
He later said than in fact it did not catch fire and it must have been steam. He's also sent a picture of a con rod that has snapped and a hole in the bottom of the engine where it partially went through the casing
I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
You absolutely must cease all contact with him, unless you get papers from Court. Every time you reply, you convince him that with enough pressure, you'll cave in.I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
Tim
catman said:
Gixxer_6er said:
He later said than in fact it did not catch fire and it must have been steam. He's also sent a picture of a con rod that has snapped and a hole in the bottom of the engine where it partially went through the casing
I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
You absolutely must cease all contact with him, unless you get papers from Court. Every time you reply, you convince him that with enough pressure, you'll cave in.I'll play it by ear and see what the outcome is. Even if this apparent damage is legitimate I fail to see how legally I would be at fault
Tim
he could be a scammer he could be genuine however he doesn't have much chance against you.
My oldest son bought a focus st recently and the engine popped on the way home (as usual didn't ask Dad to look at it beforehand) The headgasket went so I inspected it and there was little or no compression on all 5 cylinders and cylinder 4 liner has been scared and shows signs of burning oil.
The evidence leads to the seller knowing the car had problems and quickly sold it on before it let go completely. head is 20+ thou out and the cams are binding so the head is scrap and the block is 10 thou out and will need a fresh liner and piston. However he unfortunately knows that there is sod all he can do about it bar ask Dad for another big favor and rebuild the engine for him.
My oldest son bought a focus st recently and the engine popped on the way home (as usual didn't ask Dad to look at it beforehand) The headgasket went so I inspected it and there was little or no compression on all 5 cylinders and cylinder 4 liner has been scared and shows signs of burning oil.
The evidence leads to the seller knowing the car had problems and quickly sold it on before it let go completely. head is 20+ thou out and the cams are binding so the head is scrap and the block is 10 thou out and will need a fresh liner and piston. However he unfortunately knows that there is sod all he can do about it bar ask Dad for another big favor and rebuild the engine for him.
Gixxer, this whole thread has caused my anxiety to kick off, the stress you have caused me to suffer is severely effecting my quality of life.
I believe that I am well within not just my rights, but also morally entitled to be appropriately compensated. The sum of £200 will be sufficient to ease my suffering.
(PayPal gift if you please, unless you are able to cover any associated fees)
(tell the rip off merchant to f
k off. If you were anything other than a sulking selfish miserable arsed tt during the sale, the buyer will take your decency as a weakness and try to rinse you. Ignore him and he will move on to his next touch)
I believe that I am well within not just my rights, but also morally entitled to be appropriately compensated. The sum of £200 will be sufficient to ease my suffering.
(PayPal gift if you please, unless you are able to cover any associated fees)
(tell the rip off merchant to f
k off. If you were anything other than a sulking selfish miserable arsed tt during the sale, the buyer will take your decency as a weakness and try to rinse you. Ignore him and he will move on to his next touch) 98elise said:
Burwood said:
OpulentBob said:
Have you got his address? Send the prick one of your turds in an envelope, with a big X in lipstick on it.
No time for scammers.
Good way to get a criminal record No time for scammers.
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