RE: Cayman GTS v Exige Sport 410 v Audi TT RS
Discussion
DeltonaS said:
Another strange thing, this is about the Audi:
"On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
You haven't driven an Exige, have you? The Audi, like most Audis is not to drive. They have other qualities which is what those sorts of buyers want though. "On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
Which is entirely fair and reasonable.
People complain when a Porsche wins, people complain when a Lotus wins. Can't please anyone..
And as said before, an Exige Sport 350 can be had for £50k which would probably have led to the same result.
SidewaysSi said:
DeltonaS said:
Another strange thing, this is about the Audi:
"On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
You haven't driven an Exige, have you? The Audi, like most Audis is not to drive. They have other qualities which is what those sorts of buyers want though. "On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
Which is entirely fair and reasonable.
People complain when a Porsche wins, people complain when a Lotus wins. Can't please anyone..
And as said before, an Exige Sport 350 can be had for £50k which would probably have led to the same result.
I’m sure ‘what car’ would have declared it the winner for superior luggage space or something like that.
big_rob_sydney said:
But I think there is no escaping the weight difference.
PORSCHE 718 CAYMAN GTS
Weight: 1,375kg (DIN, so with fluids and 90% fuel but without driver)
AUDI TT RS
Weight: 1,440kg (DIN, so with fluids and 90% fuel but without driver)
Only 65kg between Porsche and Audi? Much, much closer in weight than I had thought...PORSCHE 718 CAYMAN GTS
Weight: 1,375kg (DIN, so with fluids and 90% fuel but without driver)
AUDI TT RS
Weight: 1,440kg (DIN, so with fluids and 90% fuel but without driver)
Reg Local said:
Yes, the engine doesn’t sound quite as good, but too much emphasis has been put on the sound by “the internet” and not enough on the car - and the engine’s - positive features. It’s torquey from low revs, which makes the car feel quicker, even when you’re not wringing its neck. It also revs very nicely & is a good chunk more powerful than the previous engine.
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Re the 718, I totally agree. Been saying this for ages... the “sound” argument is definitely overcooked by the keyboard warriors..
Bob-2146 said:
Reg Local said:
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Re the 718, I totally agree. Been saying this for ages... the “sound” argument is definitely overcooked by the keyboard warriors.Scoobysaurus said:
Bob-2146 said:
Reg Local said:
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Re the 718, I totally agree. Been saying this for ages... the “sound” argument is definitely overcooked by the keyboard warriors.Anyone who thinks a 4 pot turbo can be anywhere near a flat 6 na and cannot understand which is the superior engine is emotionally detached.
Their loss.
OP I agree with the price issue. We're considering a TT-RS as we want a fun convertible to replace our 11 year old 335i e93. We're considering an M4 convertible but they're a bit too heavy (as is the e93), also considering an Alfa 4C. All come in "around" £40k dependant on age/mileage, and honestly make for a better comparison than this article. Replace the Porsche for an M4 and the Lotus for the 4C.
//edit: We haven't driven any of them. The 335i is the best idea we have for what the M4 will be like (ie: extremely good to drive), presumably the 4C will be a hoot but a bit tiring as a daily - no idea what the Audi is like!
//edit: We haven't driven any of them. The 335i is the best idea we have for what the M4 will be like (ie: extremely good to drive), presumably the 4C will be a hoot but a bit tiring as a daily - no idea what the Audi is like!
Surely, 95% of the reason why people buy any Porsche, except a GT3 is precisely because they like the idea of a sports car but actuall want a sports GT, or in the case of the 911, somewhere to put the young kids for divorce weekends or the grandkids.
put another way:
Of course, if you're genuinely buying a sports car with the intention of driving it to work everyday, and value the niceties of a well-appointed interior, then the Cayman remains the best around
Want a sports car buy the Lotus.
put another way:
Of course, if you're genuinely buying a sports car with the intention of driving it to work everyday, and value the niceties of a well-appointed interior, then the Cayman remains the best around
Want a sports car buy the Lotus.
Plate spinner said:
SidewaysSi said:
DeltonaS said:
Another strange thing, this is about the Audi:
"On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
You haven't driven an Exige, have you? The Audi, like most Audis is not to drive. They have other qualities which is what those sorts of buyers want though. "On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
Which is entirely fair and reasonable.
People complain when a Porsche wins, people complain when a Lotus wins. Can't please anyone..
And as said before, an Exige Sport 350 can be had for £50k which would probably have led to the same result.
I’m sure ‘what car’ would have declared it the winner for superior luggage space or something like that.
I believe I said: apples vs. oranges….
I said it, PH didn´t……
DeltonaS said:
Another strange thing, this is about the Audi:
"On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
It turns out that an Exige isn't just an Audi with expensive tyres..."On more than one occasion, the front wheels spin noticeably before there's any sense of power going rearwards. Which isn't all that pleasant."
In this kind of weather the light, sticky tyre equiped and rwd Lotus would have had very little traction whatsover, no mention of that.
This article seems to be totally written by the PR department at Hethel.
It says a lot about how far Lotus have come that the comparison is so favourable. Five years ago the Cayman would have won and the Exige and Audi will have fought it out for second place (too uncompromised vs. too lardy).
Schmed said:
Lots of trouble usually serious...
Hope those days are long gone, but I do wonder how the residuals will stack up against ze Gerrrmans...
Come on now, surely a Porsche isn't that unreliable nowadays, don't believe everything you read on the internet Hope those days are long gone, but I do wonder how the residuals will stack up against ze Gerrrmans...
On residuals - Lotus Exige is probably a lot better than a similar Boxster or Cayman. Much more limited supply, thankfully 🙂
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