IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?

[robinh73]

CO2000 said:

robinh73 said:

CO2000 said:

This with a bigger fuel tank and the right gearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kufacVXlSc

Again I doubt it would survive quarter of a lap. The surface is far from perfect and with virtually no suspension travel, that hill climb machine would be in pieces. Even if the car survived a lap, the poor sod trying to guide it would be severely broken.

They run on roads up hills with surfaces far from perfect so I don't think it would be that much of an issue, driver durability maybe though!

I appreciate that the run on roads with far from perfect surfaces, but (and I am no hill climb expert) I don't believe that they achieve the same sustained top speeds over such surfaces as is found on the Isle of Man. On the superbikes, 190mph+ is where you need to be for race winning pace down Sulby Straight.

[Welshbeef]

robinh73 said:

I appreciate that the run on roads with far from perfect surfaces, but (and I am no hill climb expert) I don't believe that they achieve the same sustained top speeds over such surfaces as is found on the Isle of Man. On the superbikes, 190mph+ is where you need to be for race winning pace down Sulby Straight.

That Subaru sustained top speeds over 170mph on the straights and the road didn’t break up/ destroy the vehicle.

[jamiem555]

I think the Subaru was the perfect machine for this. A pure bred racing car or a Porsche wouldn’t cut it. Far too bumpy. Did you see the video where Miggins straight lines a series of S bends going straight across kerbs that would rip the wheels off a standard road car.

[robinh73]

Welshbeef said:

robinh73 said:

I appreciate that the run on roads with far from perfect surfaces, but (and I am no hill climb expert) I don't believe that they achieve the same sustained top speeds over such surfaces as is found on the Isle of Man. On the superbikes, 190mph+ is where you need to be for race winning pace down Sulby Straight.

That Subaru sustained top speeds over 170mph on the straights and the road didn’t break up/ destroy the vehicle.

This was my point. The Porsche 919 may be vastly quicker, but the Subaru was the better vehicle, as it is basically a road car adapted rather than an out and out race car.

[Mr2Mike]

robinh73 said:

Have you ever been to the Isle of Man and lapped the Mountain Circuit? The Nurburgring is nothing like the TT circuit. The Porsche 919 is designed to run on Tarmac, that is where the similarity ends. The TT course is a public road that is closed off to allow for racing to take place. It is not billiard top smooth and has peaks, crests and a jump at one bridge. The Subaru that Mark Higgins took round is more akin to road rally spec, so does have suspension travel to allow for the demands of the TT course. As someone who has competed around the circuit, I know how bumpy it is and how something that is purely track focused would not stand a chance there.

I think it's difficult to comprehend just how rough some of the roads are on the TT until you actually drive/ride them. Once you do you gain even more respect for the riders.

[rigga]

Welshbeef said:

I’d say they do else

Tony Pond would never have done it
Higgins and Subaru wouldn’t have attempted it on two different TT years
Also from the posts each year on Pistonheads be it purely for interest or from an engineering perspective.

It’s never a bike v car question really - only 5th gear ever did that race some Yamaha vs a 135i and then a E60 M5 v an R1(??) round thruxton oh and Top Gear one Xmas video did it a bike v a 911.

So 3 attempts in how many year's? And most of the posts are from you, was waiting for you to bring it alive again.

[robinh73]

Mr2Mike said:

robinh73 said:

Have you ever been to the Isle of Man and lapped the Mountain Circuit? The Nurburgring is nothing like the TT circuit. The Porsche 919 is designed to run on Tarmac, that is where the similarity ends. The TT course is a public road that is closed off to allow for racing to take place. It is not billiard top smooth and has peaks, crests and a jump at one bridge. The Subaru that Mark Higgins took round is more akin to road rally spec, so does have suspension travel to allow for the demands of the TT course. As someone who has competed around the circuit, I know how bumpy it is and how something that is purely track focused would not stand a chance there.

I think it's difficult to comprehend just how rough some of the roads are on the TT until you actually drive/ride them. Once you do you gain even more respect for the riders.

The TT course is something else in terms of surface. It has some awesome smooth sections, but then through places like Greeba Castle it is all over the place. I have done most of the Irish road races which are less than ideal in some places, but the first time I raced at the Isle of Man, it took me ages to get the damn bike to behave.

[bloomen]

Same Subaru, more grunt? I seem to remember it didn't go very far above 170 mph when there are straights there that would allow plenty more. I presume it's the drag. Anyway there's zero mention of car action this year so it's not happening.

I'd be far more interested to see what a bike would look like that was given a clean sheet and to set the fastest possible lap. How would it differ from the current superbikes?

[Welshbeef]

rigga said:

So 3 attempts in how many year's? And most of the posts are from you, was waiting for you to bring it alive again.

Ok so why do you venture into a threat titles IOM TT CAR lap record? Surely if you have no interest don’t open a thread

[Loyly]

fking hell, more cars Vs bikes excitement on Pistonheads!

[rigga]

Welshbeef said:

rigga said:

So 3 attempts in how many year's? And most of the posts are from you, was waiting for you to bring it alive again.

Ok so why do you venture into a threat titles IOM TT CAR lap record? Surely if you have no interest don’t open a thread

Wondering if you can up the drivel ante even more this year .... yes you can.

[Welshbeef]

Loyly said:

fking hell, more cars Vs bikes excitement on Pistonheads!

Nope what can a car do on a road circuit.

Another one will soon be how much of a step on will the Zero TT EV class improve this year? Could be a massive step forward from 119mph.

[RB Will]

Despite demonstrable video evidence that the surface is not a problem the bikers just seem to think that the only person with a car that can get along the road is BJ Baldwin

[Welshbeef]

Nanook said:

Welshbeef said:

Nope what can a car do on a road circuit.

Another one will soon be how much of a step on will the Zero TT EV class improve this year? Could be a massive step forward from 119mph.

Has there been some step up in the performance/technology of these bikes?

Or is this just more random speculation from you to try and keep this relevant?

Do you not get excited about anything the prospect of a result a game anything.

Maybe you are but you come across as glass literally empty - get it topped up ready for the races & hopefully not all the results will be a forgone conclusion.

I’m wagering on a 134+mph outright lap this year and that EV Zero TT breaks the 120mph

[lj04]

Have you seen how a WEC car takes the kerbs at every race track. It amazes me what punishment race cars take these days.

[DoubleD]

PorkInsider said:

Why didn’t you just continue the bore-fest thread from last year where you tried to goad bikers into arguments about cars v bikes on the TT circuit?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.

I think threads like this prove that is wrong

[Mr2Mike]

RB Will said:

Despite demonstrable video evidence that the surface is not a problem the bikers just seem to think that the only person with a car that can get along the road is BJ Baldwin

Where is this video demonstrating an F1 car on the TT course (just one of the daft suggestions in this thread)?

How fast have you punted the P1 around Snaefell?

[GravelBen]

Mr2Mike said:

Where is this video demonstrating an F1 car on the TT course (just one of the daft suggestions in this thread)?

He posted one on p2 of this thread for starters.

[rigga]

Terrible wet conditions for the Hart on that bit of lap in the video, was there a full lap done at that time? Video only shows up to Ramsey hairpin then just past the gooseneck.

[RB Will]

Mr2Mike said:

RB Will said:

Despite demonstrable video evidence that the surface is not a problem the bikers just seem to think that the only person with a car that can get along the road is BJ Baldwin

Where is this video demonstrating an F1 car on the TT course (just one of the daft suggestions in this thread)?

How fast have you punted the P1 around Snaefell?

As Ben said it’s in my previous post. Obviously it’s not a full lap and was just a demo thing but shows that a formula or any circuit car has no problem driving down a paved road.
Aren’t about 5 of the tracks on an F1 calendar street circuits?

Haven’t taken the P1 round IOM yet. It’s on the bucket list but won’t be breaking any records as one it ain’t quick enough and 2 I haven’t a clue where I’m going. It’s better suited to the rally stages anyway.