IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?
Discussion
wormus said:
Bikes and the TT are part of the fabric of the Island and fiercely defended by all of us who love it. I’ve been going for 21 years and to me it’s the best event in the world and it amazes me as much now as it did the first time I saw it. There are many people who have been going every year for 50 or 60 years. The magic of the IOM and the TT is difficult to explain to somebody who doesn’t get it. To those of us that do, it’s obvious. It’s the main reason no one like me is interested in seeing a car go around the circuit, not because the car might win, but because it’s an irrelevance. We just don’t care.
Personally I enjoy watching all kinds of motorsport - even that bat s
t crazy water F1 to pre war Le Mans Cars to F1 to bikes to stunt planes. My preference is Group C Le Mans class the noise particularly but also the style of those cars.
STe_rsv4 said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
For the pithy remarks about the A6 (great banter btw guys), have a look at a CBR600 getting left for dead by a mk1 MX-5 that was out on a light hoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CV0e5Sooo
No one is saying a diesel A6 is "faster" than a litre superbike, rather that cars are much easier to extract performance from over bikes, by the comparative driver and rider. It's absolutely reasonable for a superbike to struggle to keep up with a modern saloon over British B roads.
Are you fhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CV0e5Sooo
No one is saying a diesel A6 is "faster" than a litre superbike, rather that cars are much easier to extract performance from over bikes, by the comparative driver and rider. It's absolutely reasonable for a superbike to struggle to keep up with a modern saloon over British B roads.
king kidding me? That guy on the cbr can't ride for toffee, he wasn't even trying to keep up with the car!
Bikes need to be rev hard to extract the power it’s all at the top end.
He was riding like someone having a nice cruise nothing more nothing less. The angle of attack he took to those corners was near vertical not knee on the floor
ZX10R NIN said:
125/250/300/400/500/600/650/675/700/750/800/900/1000/1290/1299/1300/1400/1500 are all CC of bikes you can buy.
I get the 100cc increments logical but why a 50/75 cc increment but not only on a couple of levels?Is it due to taxation or a specific history of some sort or ?
robinh73 said:
Quite unreal isn't it. I feel so sad that when I raced at the Isle of Man TT a couple of years ago, best I could achieve was just shy of 126mph average. Clearly I need instruction from Tim Arnold. Or an Audi A6. Or both. Either way, I am obviously doing something wrong.
I think that the overall thing here is that so many people have absolutely NO clue whatsoever about the Isle of Man and the Mountain Course and what the surface is like. All this bks about an F1 car being able to sit at 220mph is just nonsense.The surface is so bumpy it would physically not be possible. Were the entire 37 3/4 miles billiard top smooth, then I agree, an F1 car would have a very good chance of beating the new 135.4 lap record, but put one out there right now and I strongly suspect it would not survive a quarter of the way round at a competitive speed.
You e personally averaged 126mph / races at the Isle of Man TT. I think that the overall thing here is that so many people have absolutely NO clue whatsoever about the Isle of Man and the Mountain Course and what the surface is like. All this b
ks about an F1 car being able to sit at 220mph is just nonsense.The surface is so bumpy it would physically not be possible. Were the entire 37 3/4 miles billiard top smooth, then I agree, an F1 car would have a very good chance of beating the new 135.4 lap record, but put one out there right now and I strongly suspect it would not survive a quarter of the way round at a competitive speed. That is hugely impressive / doubt I’d even get to a one off top speed of that on the public road scare the bejesus out of me.
J4CKO said:
A 600 bhp very trick car came up what ? 6 seconds or so off the pace of the outright lap record after one go, that ain’t a huge margin in context, it was faster than the fastest bikes of not that long ago.
Throw a bit of money, more power and more than one shot at it every ten years it would do it.
Isn’t it about 40-50seconds now off the lap record. Throw a bit of money, more power and more than one shot at it every ten years it would do it.
meridian said:
Drumroll said:
Doubt an LMP1 car could cope with all the corners. Also drivers often say the "windscreen" distorts your view.
Exactly this. Not so much the corners, as the (highly numerous) bumps, crests and dips. Would smash itself to bits...Take WRC dampers and springs appear to cope with shocking potholes bumps and massive jumps with ease.
meridian said:
Welshbeef said:
Why do people think engineers cannot develop a damper to cope with any surfaces?
Take WRC dampers and springs appear to cope with shocking potholes bumps and massive jumps with ease.
Agreed, of course the suspension technology is there. But it's not on the 'car in question', nor would that car lend itself to such suspension due to the required clearance/travel. I'm discussing the car in question, not cars generally Take WRC dampers and springs appear to cope with shocking potholes bumps and massive jumps with ease.
RobM77 said:
Very true. This reminds me of the debate around the 919 Evo breaking all the lap records at different circuits, and the biggie was Bellof's 6min11s. Personally, the way I see it Bellof's 6min11s record isn't diminished by being broken, just like Bannister's 4min mile - both Bs are still legendary. If the 919 Evo demolished the TT lap record (which it would do, by a massive margin), that to me wouldn't touch the entirely different achievements that are the bike lap records.
Exactly. Personally I’ve driven a car between 150-180mph and my god did that focus the mind.
I wouldn’t even be able to imagine the bravery of doing the exact same straight line speed on two wheels.
TT racing is great and you can see on so many camera angles that they are going way beyond 10/10ths. Fantastic fun watching it.
But also so is for me seeing that Suburu do the fast lap fun and interesting.
I love the FOS Hill climb where anything goes to see 50 odd year old Cars being grisly competative is brilliant.
Anyway id wager a 160mph average speed fast lap would be the 919Hybrid Evos time
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