IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?

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rigga said:

Would the NSX be any more suitable than a time attack spec 600 HP scooby?


st that's opened another round of debate.

Lol well Honda are sponsoring if for the next 5years and it’s the fastest 4 wheeler they have on offer

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Another way that Suburu could have gone quicker is revised 6th Gear. It was on the limiter for so much of the track add on another 15/20mph to the ratio it would certainly make a difference.

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It wasn’t running 700bhp as per the Higgins video - unless he is telling Pork is pies.

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Given the max it could have been was 100bhp more can anyone calculate the impact by adding c17% more power on the 60-135mph?

It could have been running at vmax for longer due to getting there quicker than before.

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Does everyone realise that to move from the 128.73mph average speed to 130mph the car would need to find..... 10.3seconds over 37.73miles. Just think about that - even the car in the 600bhp tune would find that through more track knowledge and confidence.

To hit 137mph average speed he would need to find about 64 seconds from his record. I think it’s fair to say the 600bhp would have at least hit 130mph average so then an additional 100bhp would mean gettin to v max sooner and/or up to the max speed he wanted to take different sections at OR might not need to do the DRS option instead let the extra power push through

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wormus said:

And the current bike record is 135.5 mph. That's 52 seconds per lap slower so when the bike was crossing the finish line, the car would be just past the Greg Ny Baa pub, almost 3 miles behind.

Exactly - so for each mile the Suburu needs to find 1.22seconds. Now given another poster kindly did the analysis on how much an extra 100bhp would give 30-130 being at least 1 second but then 70-175being much more possibly 3 seconds.
We all saw the video to find 1.22 seconds with more track time + an additional 100bhp really doesn’t seem much of a challenge at all.


To put it into context it’s like finding 4.47 seconds a lap at Silverstone (current formation).
100bhp more
Plus more time on the track it would be simple - especially as the 128.78mph lap was not perfect/Higgins verifies this as he talks through the video.

More fun to watch bikes on the TT course they are a different breed and have massive cock and balls. Car going for it is great to watch too - especially for a petrol head. Car record one way or another takes nothing from or gives nothing to the bikes it’s just great banter

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wormus said:

So the bit about bumps being easier in the car is in fact bks.

Are you being serious?

All he needs to do to get to 130mph average he simply needs to find 0.27seconds for each of the 37.7miles. And given he clearly stated during the video that there was more time in it here and there 130mph isn’t in question.
So it’s the extra 41.4 seconds to get to 135mph which is a different league .... but then when you have 100bhp more so rather than be at x speed over the course you will without question be travelling everywhere a bit quicker (be it getting to top speed or not needing DRS so more grip on offer or the ability to run longer gear ratios so higher top speed).
Remember his lap record to 135mph average lap is 1.22seconds per mile for the entire course.

It’s not bollcoks instead you can quantify it - weather he has the balls or higher skill/concentration to attempt it Or organisers/sponsors will ever allow it prevent seeing the outcome.

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wormus said:

It was originally a car race but it was too slow and everyone lost interest so around 1907 somebody said “hey this would be much more interesting if we tried bikes instead” and so the TT was born and the rest is history. Every year bikes meet to race the clock and the riders remind each other why motorcycle road racing is the best sport in the world.

I’m a car fan but the IOM TT is a great sporting event. Fearless riders brilliant

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BaronVonVaderham said:

Will there be a car record attempt this year?

I am looking forward to seeing the bikes race, and I’m also hoping that there is a car record lap attempt as well.

Now it’s sponsored by Honda who don’t have a race prep car and as flagged earlier they have the sponsorship for a very long time.

So now Suburu have done what they have we might not see any other attempt or a wait of 30years. Sad but it is what it is.

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browngt3 said:

So bikes are quicker than cars at the IOM.... and what's your point?

Cars are quicker than bikes at the 'ring... So what?

Haha no they are not that Scooby doo has a pee shooter of and engine - now lets try a properly fast car McLaren Senna would be a good shout

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Olivera said:

Welshbeef said:

Now it’s sponsored by Honda who don’t have a race prep car and as flagged earlier

Can you please stop brainfarting as usual Welshbeef. If Honda wanted to put a car around the TT they have a whole raft of current works options:

1) Honda Yuasa Civic BTCC
2) Honda Civic TCR
3) NSX GT3 Evo
4) Acura ARX05 prototype
5) Indycar with Honda aeropack & engine

They will not we all know that doesn’t matter if they make a whoop de doo sports car they will simply not run a car attempt.


Now pass the bog roll had some follow through on that fart

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f1nn said:

You’ve clearly never been to the Isle of Man.

They are averaging 135mph around a public road course that 35mph would seem too fast if you drove around in some sections.

Add in the zero run off, sheer drops, jumps, trees, weather etc...it is more interesting than any car based motorsport could ever be.

Plenty of rally stages have zero run off and of course Monoco and One of the Asian F1 where it’s again a street race. Most of the Formulae E races I’ve seen also appear to have no run off.

If you drive the course naturally it’s an open road with oncoming cars bikes possibly cyclists tractors etc unless the road is closed you simply cannot judge and your naturally not going 10/10ths as and individual + 99% of people can mere drive or rise a to b they are not racers in anyway have no knowledge or ability so it’s kind of moot.

The only knowledge we have is when racing drivers have tried It Rover and Suburu they didn’t seem to suffer from the issues you flag.

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wormus said:

Maybe in yawntastic car racing like F1 where they follow each other round a flat, safe , boring track for lap after lap.

TT is like climbing El Capitain without a rope whilst practically all car racing is the equivalent of a frame of snooker.

Stand at the top of St Ninian’s crossroads and watch a lap of the senior. It’s lunacy and hard to beat as a spectator’s sport.

Edited by wormus on Wednesday 15th May 07:25

It’s also mandatory to like sepultura cypress hill AC/DC


(No bad thing but pop music or ballads - and is eager NONE will watch Eurovision Song Contest )

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egor110 said:

Why not it would be good publicity.

It’s not like the civic is slow , it was at one point the fastest front wheel drive around the Nurburgring which is long , bumpy with massive elevation gains and drops .

If they couldn’t beat the Subaru then they’d just says it’s down to the awd system .

I’ll wager they will not plus nothing in schedule for it

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DoubleD said:

Im more interested in a racer when hes going flat out. I have no real interest in how they act on camera afterwards.

And that’s why we like dirty racers Prost Senna Schumacher Montoya

Everyone keeps ignoring how dirty Senna was on track and simply look at the good side possibly due to his death but sadly people don’t do the same with Schumacher who was a racer of the same era.

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wormus said:

Still they are saying it’s competitve even in stock trim. Not sure how much more the tuners will get out of it.

Why don’t they run turbos if NA is reaching its maximum - strap on a big tubby Turbo then much higher top end speed will be available

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BaronVonVaderham said:

Exactly, the 919 would probably average 150+.

What odd is why our 2 wheeled fans on here can’t accept this?

Circuit too bouncy off camber rutted drain covers cannot straight line bits cannot do the bridge

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So the difference between the Suburu is 53 seconds on 17 odd minutes.

Given said Suburu with its maximum power (700bhp wasn’t achieved in IOM as has been discussed so many times Mark H stated it was planes to have max power on the last run so it was a 600odd bhp Suburu) 700bhp and it lapped the Green Hell in 7 minutes..... the 919 did it in 5mins 17seconds...so 1 minute c40seconds quicker on a lap time of 7 mins.

The 919 is a Le Mans racer so think 24hrs at sprint pace without issue.

It’s dimensions are smaller than the Suburu

So um - oh yes active aero and 1,400bhp
I’d assume it will be biblically quicker - maybe a 10minute flag laptime.

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Vaud said:

Welshbeef said:

So um - oh yes active aero and 1,400bhp
I’d assume it will be biblically quicker - maybe a 10minute flag laptime.

It's a simulation, but one of the better ones and by a fairly handy driver. 13mins. Not 10.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD382MqXPB8/url]

Not a racing driver but as you say handy.

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otolith said:

blade7 said:

I'd dare say Porsche have the means to have the course shut for 3 or 4 hours.

And all it would really achieve in marketing terms is to urinate on the chips of bikers who might also be potential Porsche customers.

Schumacher pissed on Fangios chips
Hamilton will piss on Schumacher
Rossi pissed on the Irish biker who also did TT

That’s life but it’s progression it’s fun