RE: Toyota GT86 'Blue Edition' launched

[LordGrover]

Flibble said:

For me at least the only thing that could replace my gt86 is a Cayman. And I can't afford a cayman.

I sold the GT86 a year ago, replaced with a Z4 35i. Fast but no fun. Since bought an old 986 boxster. It's epic.
I think a newer Cayman would make a superb alternative to the GT86 judging by the boxster.

[Distraxi]

LordGrover said:

I think a newer Cayman would make a superb alternative to the GT86 judging by the boxster.

What’s relative pricing like in the UK? For comparison, in NZ, where we pay less for GT86s and more for German cars, new base model 86 money will get you a 2007 or so Cayman.

[Flibble]

You'll get a 2013 ish Cayman for roughly new gt86 money. Not bad, but not quite new car.

[Distraxi]

Flibble said:

You'll get a 2013 ish Cayman for roughly new gt86 money. Not bad, but not quite new car.

Christ, at that point it's a no-brainer. Though I guess Porsche repair prices if you break it or bin it are still a factor. Over here the 86 makes a heck of a lot more sense - the only comparable new-car option is the MX5. Even a GTI or a Focus ST are a good 30% more expensive, and a 370Z is even more than that.

[Sa Calobra]

Flibble said:

You'll get a 2013 ish Cayman for roughly new gt86 money. Not bad, but not quite new car.

A 5yr old car v a new one.

I'd prefer the Subaru branded version anyway..

[culpz]

I do love that colour, i must say. I'm still going to comment on the price and i do think it's still quite steep. I think the GT86 since launch always has been.

[Johnnytheboy]

I never really wanted one of these as I like more grunt and a hatch-type boot. But for some gut reason I'd always have preferred a BRZ to a GT86.

[Flibble]

Distraxi said:

Flibble said:

You'll get a 2013 ish Cayman for roughly new gt86 money. Not bad, but not quite new car.

Christ, at that point it's a no-brainer. Though I guess Porsche repair prices if you break it or bin it are still a factor. Over here the 86 makes a heck of a lot more sense - the only comparable new-car option is the MX5. Even a GTI or a Focus ST are a good 30% more expensive, and a 370Z is even more than that.

I wouldn't call it a no brainer. 5 year guarantee vs none. Expensive parts and consumables vs cheap. A cayman will be a fair bit thirstier on the fuel too. But one is a Porsche.
Once you start looking used it's still about 5 years difference. 3 year old car vs 8 year old? That's an easier choice.

I previously had a fast but boring car (Audi S3), I don't find myself missing the speed much; that sort of acceleration was never that satisfying. That's why the Cayman is the only real contender, I wouldn't want to give up the handling at this point.

Edited by Flibble on Monday 4th June 11:42

[Helicopter123]

Flibble said:

Distraxi said:

Flibble said:

You'll get a 2013 ish Cayman for roughly new gt86 money. Not bad, but not quite new car.

Christ, at that point it's a no-brainer. Though I guess Porsche repair prices if you break it or bin it are still a factor. Over here the 86 makes a heck of a lot more sense - the only comparable new-car option is the MX5. Even a GTI or a Focus ST are a good 30% more expensive, and a 370Z is even more than that.

I wouldn't call it a no brainer. 5 year guarantee vs none. Expensive parts and consumables vs cheap. A cayman will be a fair bit thirstier on the fuel too. But one is a Porsche.
Once you start looking used it's still about 5 years difference. 3 year old car vs 8 year old? That's an easier choice.

I previously had a fast but boring car (Audi S3), I don't find myself missing the speed much; that sort of acceleration was never that satisfying. That's why the Cayman is the only real contender, I wouldn't want to give up the handling at this point.

Edited by Flibble on Monday 4th June 11:42

But from an OPC and get a bullet proof two year warranty.

Cayman very slow to depreciate and will always appeal to the enthusiast.

[Deep Thought]

Helicopter123 said:

But from an OPC and get a bullet proof two year warranty.

Cayman very slow to depreciate and will always appeal to the enthusiast.

+1

[JB!]

Helicopter123 said:

Flibble said:

Distraxi said:

Flibble said:

You'll get a 2013 ish Cayman for roughly new gt86 money. Not bad, but not quite new car.

Christ, at that point it's a no-brainer. Though I guess Porsche repair prices if you break it or bin it are still a factor. Over here the 86 makes a heck of a lot more sense - the only comparable new-car option is the MX5. Even a GTI or a Focus ST are a good 30% more expensive, and a 370Z is even more than that.

I wouldn't call it a no brainer. 5 year guarantee vs none. Expensive parts and consumables vs cheap. A cayman will be a fair bit thirstier on the fuel too. But one is a Porsche.
Once you start looking used it's still about 5 years difference. 3 year old car vs 8 year old? That's an easier choice.

I previously had a fast but boring car (Audi S3), I don't find myself missing the speed much; that sort of acceleration was never that satisfying. That's why the Cayman is the only real contender, I wouldn't want to give up the handling at this point.

Edited by Flibble on Monday 4th June 11:42

But from an OPC and get a bullet proof two year warranty.

Cayman very slow to depreciate and will always appeal to the enthusiast.

OPC?

Running cost differences are pretty big between the two, that's the gulf, and parts prices.

But yeah agreed the UK pricing strategy is brutal for the 86/BRZ

[Deep Thought]

JB! said:

OPC?

Running cost differences are pretty big between the two, that's the gulf, and parts prices.

But yeah agreed the UK pricing strategy is brutal for the 86/BRZ

Official Porsche Centre - main dealer.

You get a full manufacturer backed 2 year warranty.

Apart from the difference in servicing price and maybe a slight difference in fuel costs is there going to be much difference in running costs? Certainly not a gulf i'd have thought.

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

[grumbledoak]

Deep Thought said:

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

How long had they lasted and what did they cost?

People are getting 35k+ out of the OEMs on the GT86 and they cost buttons.

[DoubleD]

grumbledoak said:

Deep Thought said:

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

How long had they lasted and what did they cost?

People are getting 35k+ out of the OEMs on the GT86 and they cost buttons.

35,000 miles?! Isnt it meant to be a sportscar?

[grumbledoak]

DoubleD said:

35,000 miles?! Isnt it meant to be a sportscar?

It is a sports car. A very carefully designed one.
https://www.toyota.co.nz/about-toyota/toyota-news/...

[CABC]

grumbledoak said:

Deep Thought said:

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

How long had they lasted and what did they cost?

People are getting 35k+ out of the OEMs on the GT86 and they cost buttons.

i think the more important point is that one person running a car for a year is not very informative.
average TCO over several years for these 2 cars is quite different, be honest. Nothing wrong in paying more for what you enjoy, but don't deceive.

[DoubleD]

grumbledoak said:

DoubleD said:

35,000 miles?! Isnt it meant to be a sportscar?

It is a sports car. A very carefully designed one.
https://www.toyota.co.nz/about-toyota/toyota-news/...

Lol

[Deep Thought]

grumbledoak said:

Deep Thought said:

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

How long had they lasted and what did they cost?

People are getting 35k+ out of the OEMs on the GT86 and they cost buttons.

It was running on 17s and they were £100 a corner from BlackCircles.

It needed them when i got them so hard to say how long they had been on and i only kept it a year.

[Flibble]

Deep Thought said:

Official Porsche Centre - main dealer.

You get a full manufacturer backed 2 year warranty.

Apart from the difference in servicing price and maybe a slight difference in fuel costs is there going to be much difference in running costs? Certainly not a gulf i'd have thought.

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

Fuel is about 30% worse on the Cayman; services, brakes, and tyres about twice the price (215 wide all round is nice for both price and the ability to rotate tyres).
My gt86 has needed nothing bar consumables (and a bit of crash repair) in over two years.

It all adds up to a fair bit more ongoing cost.

[grumbledoak]

That's the thing with depreciation - it doesn't apply to the spares. I would guess the Cayman costs double to run.