RE: Toyota GT86 'Blue Edition' launched

[Deep Thought]

CABC said:

grumbledoak said:

Deep Thought said:

I ran a 986 Boxster for a year and it needed nothing other than a set of tyres and a rear number plate bulb holder.

How long had they lasted and what did they cost?

People are getting 35k+ out of the OEMs on the GT86 and they cost buttons.

i think the more important point is that one person running a car for a year is not very informative.
average TCO over several years for these 2 cars is quite different, be honest. Nothing wrong in paying more for what you enjoy, but don't deceive.

There was no attempt at deception on my part.

My comment was in relation to someone saying there was a "gulf" of difference in running costs.

[Distraxi]

DoubleD said:

35,000 miles?! Isnt it meant to be a sportscar?

It's supposed to be a cheap and customisable sportscar that's fun while going at sane speeds (though Toyota GB have obviously missed the memo on the "cheap" part of that).

The OEM tires last forever and because they're low rolling resistance they give excellent fuel economy. And they're actually not bad tyres - they have nice breakaway characteristics and the grip's not as bad as people make out. There's also an underlying assumption that if you're going for lap times you're going to be swapping them out for dedicated track tyres anyway, so why compromise the everyday rubber to be good in that situation.

In this interview with Toyota's Chief Engineer on the GT86 he talks about why they selected these specific tires - basically they're generic enough that a car designed to work on these will work on anything, and they're cheap and durable enough that you can have slidey fun without putting your tyre bill into orbit. The bit about tires starts at 6:50 but the whole thing's worth watching apart from the stty music intro: https://youtu.be/tHVhaTNRk8E?t=410

[CABC]

Deep Thought said:

There was no attempt at deception on my part.

My comment was in relation to someone saying there was a "gulf" of difference in running costs.

still, over 5 yrs the difference in costs would be...noticeable.

fwiw, i don't think the venn diagram overlap for the Cayman & 86 is that large.
i see the 86 as cheaper and also actually more fun in it's raw simplicity. The Cayman is less connected/raw but far more complete, far more planted at higher speed and clearly better for higher mileage. Both great. Though i doubt many people who could easily afford the Cayman would choose the 86 even if it were better suited to their needs (low mileage, fun b road trips with little more practicality over an mx5)

[DoubleD]

Distraxi said:

DoubleD said:

35,000 miles?! Isnt it meant to be a sportscar?

It's supposed to be a cheap and customisable sportscar that's fun while going at sane speeds (though Toyota GB have obviously missed the memo on the "cheap" part of that).

The OEM tires last forever and because they're low rolling resistance they give excellent fuel economy. And they're actually not bad tyres - they have nice breakaway characteristics and the grip's not as bad as people make out. There's also an underlying assumption that if you're going for lap times you're going to be swapping them out for dedicated track tyres anyway, so why compromise the everyday rubber to be good in that situation.

In this interview with Toyota's Chief Engineer on the GT86 he talks about why they selected these specific tires - basically they're generic enough that a car designed to work on these will work on anything, and they're cheap and durable enough that you can have slidey fun without putting your tyre bill into orbit. The bit about tires starts at 6:50 but the whole thing's worth watching apart from the stty music intro: https://youtu.be/tHVhaTNRk8E?t=410

Ah so its designed not to grip very well

[s m]

DoubleD said:

Distraxi said:

DoubleD said:

35,000 miles?! Isnt it meant to be a sportscar?

It's supposed to be a cheap and customisable sportscar that's fun while going at sane speeds (though Toyota GB have obviously missed the memo on the "cheap" part of that).

The OEM tires last forever and because they're low rolling resistance they give excellent fuel economy. And they're actually not bad tyres - they have nice breakaway characteristics and the grip's not as bad as people make out. There's also an underlying assumption that if you're going for lap times you're going to be swapping them out for dedicated track tyres anyway, so why compromise the everyday rubber to be good in that situation.

In this interview with Toyota's Chief Engineer on the GT86 he talks about why they selected these specific tires - basically they're generic enough that a car designed to work on these will work on anything, and they're cheap and durable enough that you can have slidey fun without putting your tyre bill into orbit. The bit about tires starts at 6:50 but the whole thing's worth watching apart from the stty music intro: https://youtu.be/tHVhaTNRk8E?t=410

Ah so its designed not to grip very well

Bit of a myth really about not gripping well on those tyres.

it pulls 1g in steady state cornering - as good or better as most hot hatches or similar sporty cars

The tyres do endow it with a progressive departure from grip though.....whereas a more track orientated tyre might have a more snappy breakaway when the higher limit was reached

[grumbledoak]

DoubleD said:

Ah so its designed not to grip very well

It's not lardy and over-tyred, if that's what you meant.

[Flibble]

I've seen 1.1g on road tyres in mine, I'd say it grips just fine.

[DoubleD]

grumbledoak said:

DoubleD said:

Ah so its designed not to grip very well

It's not lardy and over-tyred, if that's what you meant.

I do get the idea behind these cars, fun at lower speeds as well as higher speeds. From what I have read and heard the engine is a real weak point which is such a shame.

[LordGrover]

DoubleD said:

I do get the idea behind these cars, fun at lower speeds as well as higher speeds. From what I have read and heard the engine is a real weak point which is such a shame.

Unfortunately, many people say the same despite never having driven one - just what they read/heard elsewhere.

[underphil]

I quite liked the engine (for a 4 cylinder), it was the overly long gear ratios that spoiled it a bit for me

[DoubleD]

LordGrover said:

DoubleD said:

I do get the idea behind these cars, fun at lower speeds as well as higher speeds. From what I have read and heard the engine is a real weak point which is such a shame.

Unfortunately, many people say the same despite never having driven one - just what they read/heard elsewhere.

Yeah im only going off others who have driven 1

[Deep Thought]

Broadspeed discounts are online.

They're offering around 10% off, taking the OTR price to £26,003

https://broadspeed.com/new_cars/Toyota/GT86/Choose...

[Simon Owen]

I have just enquired about lead in ?

If presented to a dealer would they usually match these discounts ? When I asked the first answer was a resounding "no deals sir".

I have never used these brokers before ?

[Deep Thought]

Simon Owen said:

I have just enquired about lead in ?

If presented to a dealer would they usually match these discounts ? When I asked the first answer was a resounding "no deals sir".

I have never used these brokers before ?

Its up to the dealer as to whether they want to discount / deal or not.

The brokers tend to just put you in touch with the main dealer who is prepared to sell the car at that price.

If your local dealer isnt bothered, i'd definitely be talking to a broker.

[Helicopter123]

Defo 10% off these already.

[vsonix]

Bladedancer said:

I just don't get Toyota's pricing strategy. 370Z starts at just below 30k and as much as I like the GT86 it's nowhere near the Nissan performance-wise.
At 22-24k sure, GT86 makes sense. At 30? You gotta be kidding me.

It does seem to be price a bit strong for what the car is meant to be. I wonder how much of that is down to tax. I also think it's a shame they never sold the super-bare-bones tuner version they got in Japan with the steelies and unpainted bumpers. Almost like in Japan they realise it's meant as a lower cost tuner car that will be modified on day one of ownership whereas here in the UK it's been positioned as a 'premium' sports car but can't quite deliver what the market expects from such a thing.

[Simon Owen]

Helicopter123 said:

Defo 10% off these already.

Interesting some brokers are saying already unavailable, dealer only supply ?

I'm unsure as to whether numbers are limited or not ?

[RedAlfa]

I think it looks great ......

[Deep Thought]

Simon Owen said:

Helicopter123 said:

Defo 10% off these already.

Interesting some brokers are saying already unavailable, dealer only supply ?

I'm unsure as to whether numbers are limited or not ?

I think some dealers know they will be able to sell the relatively small number of them anyway at a decent profit. Other dealers seem to treat them purely as a unit and thus will discount them to sell another unit.

[Helicopter123]

Deep Thought said:

Simon Owen said:

Helicopter123 said:

Defo 10% off these already.

Interesting some brokers are saying already unavailable, dealer only supply ?

I'm unsure as to whether numbers are limited or not ?

I think some dealers know they will be able to sell the relatively small number of them anyway at a decent profit. Other dealers seem to treat them purely as a unit and thus will discount them to sell another unit.

This, if your local dealer is playing hard-ball, don't get mugged off. Plenty of dealers who will take a sensible view if failing just get one on-line via a broker.