RE: Ferrari 488 Pista: Driven

[FN2TypeR]

Mackofthejungle said:

Seems more of a slightly tweaked 488 than anything else..

Not a patch on the 360 or 458 versions, because you just know it's not turned up to 11. With the 458 you knew its 600bhp was pretty much all they could realistically make from that engine in a road car. With this, you know it's a 500 quid remap away from 800bhp+.That's not exotic. It's power figures by committee, not by engineering. It's all a little uninspired.

Of course it is.

[Gandahar]

p1stonhead said:

3.5 seconds faster around fiorano than an Enzo is mental in little over a decade of progress. And the Enzo at the time was proper holy grail hypercar stuff.

What tyres was the Enzo on ?

Tyres have come a long way, even in the last 2 years.

[gigglebug]

Is this the first one since the 360 to work more backwards from race car as oppose to work forwards from the roadcar?

I've heard a few different folks say that their favorite (until now at least) is the 360 because it was more of a road going development of the track car when compared to the 430 and Speciale that followed. Has dropping the race cars engine straight into the road car started to reverse the trend back to the 360 or were the two cars inbetween offered the same treatment? I can't remember it being so.

[AmosMoses]

Mackofthejungle said:

Seems more of a slightly tweaked 488 than anything else..

Not a patch on the 360 or 458 versions, because you just know it's not turned up to 11. With the 458 you knew its 600bhp was pretty much all they could realistically make from that engine in a road car. With this, you know it's a 500 quid remap away from 800bhp+. That's not exotic. It's power figures by committee, not by engineering. It's all a little uninspired.

720hp not enough? I love PH at times.

[bertie]

Just fantastic, cannot wait!

[Davey S2]

Helicopter123 said:

Lovely,

This is the car that Lotus should be building.

I doubt Lotus could and even if they could people wouldn't pay £1/4M+ for a Lotus.

[TartanPaint]

I had to give up reading that; the sentence structure was giving me a headache!

Dreadful writing.

[Helicopter123]

Davey S2 said:

Helicopter123 said:

Lovely,

This is the car that Lotus should be building.

I doubt Lotus could and even if they could people wouldn't pay £1/4M+ for a Lotus.

Its not that long ago Lotus competed directly with Ferrari (Esprit Turbo).

[Tuvra]

Why anyone would pay £500,000 for a GT2 RS when you could have a loaded one of these for £300k is beyond me

[RamboLambo]

Great, super, smashing, look at what you could of bought but you can't as you are not on the "A" list and they are all allocated which makes it slightly irrelevant. Lets talk about cars you can actually buy.
I'm sure its better than its predecessor but I would much rather have a naturally aspirated 458 Speciale or better again a V10 Lamborghini Huracan Performante ( Lambo's last N/A V10 )

[Davey S2]

Helicopter123 said:

Davey S2 said:

Helicopter123 said:

Lovely,

This is the car that Lotus should be building.

I doubt Lotus could and even if they could people wouldn't pay £1/4M+ for a Lotus.

Its not that long ago Lotus competed directly with Ferrari (Esprit Turbo).

In car terms that's a million years ago.

Lotus need to be in the sub £150K market. They simply cant compete on more expensive stuff.

[bertie]

RamboLambo said:

Great, super, smashing, look at what you could of bought but you can't as you are not on the "A" list and they are all allocated which makes it slightly irrelevant. Lets talk about cars you can actually buy.
I'm sure its better than its predecessor but I would much rather have a naturally aspirated 458 Speciale or better again a V10 Lamborghini Huracan Performante ( Lambo's last N/A V10 )

Again......really???

[Vocht]

I'd have thought it'd have cut more than 2 seconds off a Speciale around Fiorano tbh. Kind of backs up the argument that this isn't a balls to the wall upgrade.

[Davey S2]

gigglebug said:

Is this the first one since the 360 to work more backwards from race car as oppose to work forwards from the roadcar?

I've heard a few different folks say that their favorite (until now at least) is the 360 because it was more of a road going development of the track car when compared to the 430 and Speciale that followed. Has dropping the race cars engine straight into the road car started to reverse the trend back to the 360 or were the two cars inbetween offered the same treatment? I can't remember it being so.

If you're including the V12 cars then the 599 GTO was generally thought to be a lot closer to the 599XX than to the GTB

[gigglebug]

Davey S2 said:

If you're including the V12 cars then the 599 GTO was generally thought to be a lot closer to the 599XX than to the GTB

I hadn't thought of that one to be honest, it was just the V8 specials being referred to. It might be stuff and nonsense to be fair, it would be nice if someone who knows could confirm one way or the other.

[tim milne]

Am I reading this wrong or is the general tenet of this story is that the Pista isn't wildly different from the 488?

Which is at odds with the way it was presented at launch a few months back, where the Pista was presented as a thorough re-working of the base model.

Is this just so much spin or does a different understanding genuinely emerge from journalists actually driving the car rather than paraphrasing what Ferrari say in the press release?

[GranCab]

RamboLambo said:

Great, super, smashing, look at what you could of bought but you can't as you are not on the "A" list and they are all allocated which makes it slightly irrelevant. Lets talk about cars you can actually buy.
I'm sure its better than its predecessor but I would much rather have a naturally aspirated 458 Speciale or better again a V10 Lamborghini Huracan Performante ( Lambo's last N/A V10 )

N.B. could have bought ....

[M1C]

I like it tremendously.

But.

I still think the 458 Speciale looked even better.

[suffolk009]

I read in there - £10,000 for a set of carbon wheels. Blimey.

Was that them in the photos?

[minismithy90]

Absolutely adore that, infact i love all these ‘Track Special’ Sport/Supercars. Built just because, well they can.

All we need now is a Type-R version of the NSX and Lotus to build a new Esprit and carry on from the Sport 300 and Sport 350. Ahh i’am dreaming.