RE: Ferrari 488 Pista: Driven
Discussion
Mackofthejungle said:
Seems more of a slightly tweaked 488 than anything else..
Not a patch on the 360 or 458 versions, because you just know it's not turned up to 11. With the 458 you knew its 600bhp was pretty much all they could realistically make from that engine in a road car. With this, you know it's a 500 quid remap away from 800bhp+. That's not exotic. It's power figures by committee, not by engineering. It's all a little uninspired.
Based on....?Not a patch on the 360 or 458 versions, because you just know it's not turned up to 11. With the 458 you knew its 600bhp was pretty much all they could realistically make from that engine in a road car. With this, you know it's a 500 quid remap away from 800bhp+. That's not exotic. It's power figures by committee, not by engineering. It's all a little uninspired.
The fact that it COULD be turned up to a bit more? That it could probably get 800PS...and then break if you ever actually tried to use that power for a length of time?
This is the difference between turbocharged engines and naturally aspirated - you can typically make an N/A engine robust enough for what you're doing so it's all about refining and making it as efficient as possible at its top end to produce peak power (throttling losses, windage losses, valve train losses, volumetric efficiency, combustion parameters etc) but with a turbocharged engine it's a different game - you can have all the boost you want but it's stopping the thing blowing up (and sizing your charge system correctly for drivability) before the end of the road that's the key.
800PS would be possible, but it won't thank you when the bottom end has been left on the tarmac.
Gandahar said:
Would be interested to see this up against the Mclaren 720S and Porsche GT2 RS around track and drag race. Required section on how good they are popping down the chippy a well.
Posted the times of the GT2 and the 720 a while back on the 720 thread - can’t remember exact figures, but 720 was faster around the track (on Corsas vs Cups from memory) and accelerated/braked faster too I think - it’s been about a month, so can’t remember details. Re popping down the chippy - I think they wrote the GT2 was a lot more difficult to drive (which depending on your point of view could be a good or a bad thing imo)
tim milne said:
Am I reading this wrong or is the general tenet of this story is that the Pista isn't wildly different from the 488?
Which is at odds with the way it was presented at launch a few months back, where the Pista was presented as a thorough re-working of the base model.
Is this just so much spin or does a different understanding genuinely emerge from journalists actually driving the car rather than paraphrasing what Ferrari say in the press release?
Well, it’s no secret that Ferrari effectively blackball any journalist with the temerity to criticise their cars, so Prior’s implication that this is ‘a good car made a bit better’ rather than anything more radical is probably as far as he can go without his future invitations disappearing.Which is at odds with the way it was presented at launch a few months back, where the Pista was presented as a thorough re-working of the base model.
Is this just so much spin or does a different understanding genuinely emerge from journalists actually driving the car rather than paraphrasing what Ferrari say in the press release?
Maldini35 said:
tim milne said:
Am I reading this wrong or is the general tenet of this story is that the Pista isn't wildly different from the 488?
Which is at odds with the way it was presented at launch a few months back, where the Pista was presented as a thorough re-working of the base model.
Is this just so much spin or does a different understanding genuinely emerge from journalists actually driving the car rather than paraphrasing what Ferrari say in the press release?
Well, it’s no secret that Ferrari effectively blackball any journalist with the temerity to criticise their cars, so Prior’s implication that this is ‘a good car made a bit better’ rather than anything more radical is probably as far as he can go without his future invitations disappearing.Which is at odds with the way it was presented at launch a few months back, where the Pista was presented as a thorough re-working of the base model.
Is this just so much spin or does a different understanding genuinely emerge from journalists actually driving the car rather than paraphrasing what Ferrari say in the press release?
Aes87 said:
Yeah id rather drive something way more simple with way less power and a roof that comes off i.e.something older with some character at a lower price point
I honestly dont see the point of these cars anymore, and even if I had 300 grand to drop on one id turn around and get something like a Porsche 356 instead on looks alone and for the experience
Cool StoryI honestly dont see the point of these cars anymore, and even if I had 300 grand to drop on one id turn around and get something like a Porsche 356 instead on looks alone and for the experience
FYI, at this price point I don't think the owners are restricted to one car
Tuvra said:
Why anyone would pay £500,000 for a GT2 RS when you could have a loaded one of these for £300k is beyond me 
Hmmm... Why confused? You can't get a Pista, the proper way, walking into a Ferrari emporium, never owning a new Ferrari in your life and order one. Same as the Porsche GT stuff. No doubt the Pista is sold out and in few months time your new post will be saying why anyone would pay £500,000 for a 488 Pista when you could have a loaded (something will be along soon) for £300k is beyond me
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f1ten said:
Looks absolutely brilliant from the back end as well. I look forward to when the madness of paying vastly overs comes to an end and these can be bought for list price.
Unlike the Speciale the Pista is a limited production run. They won't ever be list price for anyone who hasn't already been given an allocation.Pista will be £350k+ on the open market, probably more like £400k I think in the short term. Pista Aperta when it inevitably appears another £100k++ on top of that.
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