RE: Alfa Romeo SZ: Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo SZ: Spotted

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ucb

953 posts

213 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Wouldn’t see which way a hot hatch went which is ironic given how most of these AMG, RS’s seem to spend the majority of their time dawdling between traffic lights at high revs.

joshleb

1,544 posts

145 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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I love these. I can see them being marmite cars with their hard edges and futuro/retro styling but imo they look amazing!

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

164 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Always loved these but had forgotten how slow they were.

That's A4 diesel slow.
Yipper 's back.

Strugs

512 posts

230 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Mr2Mike said:
Helicopter123 said:
Always loved these but had forgotten how slow they were.

That's A4 diesel slow.
New car as fast as 24 year old car shocker! If there were academic qualifications in missing the point, that would be doctorate level at least.
Not really, my point is I had always thought these has performance that was decent for its historic age. 5.5 to 60 and so on.

24 years on, it's no quicker than a rep special saloon, and wouldn't see which way a warm-hatch went.
Ah, so you mean you thought it was quicker "in period", you mean? As oppose to comparing to a modern car?

Back in the day, the Ferrari 348 was only around 5.5 secs to 60, and I would consider anything sub-7 pretty rapid back then. Just goes to show how performance levels have gone a bit silly across the board now I suppose!

woody33

251 posts

109 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Always loved these but had forgotten how slow they were.

That's A4 diesel slow.
Modern Diesel faster than old sports car scoop. You heard it here first.

Turbotechnic

675 posts

77 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Love the SZ, it's absolutely bonkers with a great Italian V6 soundtrack. Why would anyone want to spend 50k plus on an old Ford.

interloper

2,747 posts

256 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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I really like these but it's a bit of a shame they only ever came in red (the RZ was available in more colours) . Definitely plenty worse ways to spend 50k.

As for the A4 diesel comparison - Jesus wept!

B17NNS

18,506 posts

248 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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It's interesting but I'd be just as happy in a 3.0 GTV. Red with tan momo please.

Nils60

2 posts

71 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Saw one in Turin recently. Amazing car. What presence.

ericmcn

1,999 posts

98 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Strugs said:
Ah, so you mean you thought it was quicker "in period", you mean? As oppose to comparing to a modern car?

Back in the day, the Ferrari 348 was only around 5.5 secs to 60, and I would consider anything sub-7 pretty rapid back then. Just goes to show how performance levels have gone a bit silly across the board now I suppose!
but at what cost? driver feel and engagement? what with a gadzillion driver aids in cars now, the NSX was hardly lightning fast either back then but it also is an iconic car to have.

Strugs

512 posts

230 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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ericmcn said:
Strugs said:
Ah, so you mean you thought it was quicker "in period", you mean? As oppose to comparing to a modern car?

Back in the day, the Ferrari 348 was only around 5.5 secs to 60, and I would consider anything sub-7 pretty rapid back then. Just goes to show how performance levels have gone a bit silly across the board now I suppose!
but at what cost? driver feel and engagement? what with a gadzillion driver aids in cars now, the NSX was hardly lightning fast either back then but it also is an iconic car to have.
Exactly! Give me an older performance car, that you actually have to drive, every day..

DBRacingGod

609 posts

193 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Gorgeous. No chance anyone wants a left nut for £50k?

MalcolmSmith

1,742 posts

76 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Frankly if you dont ‘get’ the SZ you can hand in your PH membership card, if you don't know, do some research, its a proper exotic with an operatic induction roar like tearing silk, no fake popping or banging. And as the stats were terrific for the time. These will be Ferrari money in the future, not Porsche.

That said I dont like the RZ, its a mad car, and the RZ isn’t mad enough....

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Not really, my point is I had always thought these has performance that was decent for its historic age. 5.5 to 60 and so on.

24 years on, it's no quicker than a rep special saloon, and wouldn't see which way a warm-hatch went.
And once again you seem surprised that a 24 year old car is not as fast as a current diesel engined car making similar power.

Perhaps you have somehow missed all the threads on PH that have made the same point regarding e.g. relatively modern hot hatches such as the Civic Type R? Modern diesel repmobiles are surprisingly quick, and more to the point very easy for the average dullard to extract the performance from compared to a high revving petrol engine.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,596 posts

273 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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I've always loved these - it's like Brutalist architecture really; you either like it or you don't. It transcends "ugly" into "awesomely cool".



JMF894

5,508 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Always loved these but had forgotten how slow they were.

That's A4 diesel slow.
Utterly pointless and point missed post of the day...........................

davebem

746 posts

178 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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I love these, glad Alfa had the guts to make it, Im trying to think what everyone was driving on the road that year to compare to, I guess Mk2 Fiestas, Mk4 Escorts, Cavaliers, didnt the MX5 come out around the same time as this..

Clockwork Cupcake

74,596 posts

273 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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davebem said:
I love these, glad Alfa had the guts to make it, Im trying to think what everyone was driving on the road that year to compare to, I guess Mk2 Fiestas, Mk4 Escorts, Cavaliers, didnt the MX5 come out around the same time as this..
The Corrado VR6 came out in 1992 and ended production in late 1995 (although mine was registered in 1996) and had a 0-60 of 6.4s.

I remember at the time thinking that the SZ was awesome, but that its 0-60 time was rather disappointing and that I certainly didn't expect it to be slower than my Corrado to 60.

Edit: Also, 1996 would have seen the first of the Prodrive Imprezas and also the Escort Cosworth would have been in production for several years, both of which would out-accelerate the SZ. So I think it is fair comment to express surprise that the SZ isn't more accelerative.


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 10th June 22:00

jamies30

5,911 posts

230 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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Struggling a bit that people are judging the 1989 SZ based on the 0-60 time. That hopelessly one-dimensional number was never what the car was about and completely masks what makes it such a good drive - even now, almost 30 years later. It’s not a Top Trumps sort of car, thank goodness.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,596 posts

273 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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jamies30 said:
Struggling a bit that people are judging the 1989 SZ based on the 0-60 time. That hopelessly one-dimensional number was never what the car was about and completely masks what makes it such a good drive - even now, almost 30 years later. It’s not a Top Trumps sort of car, thank goodness.
Oh, I totally agree. I certainly wasn't judging it - I love the car - I was just observing that eyebrows were raised about its acceleration even when it was new, so it's not overly surprising that they are being raised now too.