RE: Another Tesla Shooting Brake!

[kambites]

gigglebug said:

Isn't it because when looking back at the very first examples of vehicles to be referred to as 'shooting brakes' they just happened to all have 3 doors as oppose to it being a clearly defined factor as to what constitutes the term?

I'm pretty sure the very first examples of vehicles referred to as 'shooting brakes' were pulled along by horses. It was just a carriage designed specifically for carrying shooting parties and their equipment.

[pycraft]

I thought a "shooting brake" is now taken to mean a "coupe estate" Whilst we normally take "Coupe" to mean "2 door", if we take its original French meeting ("cut") it means something that's a "cut-down" version of a larger saloon. So, for example, the CLS wasn't the first "4-door coupe"; the Rover P5 had a coupe version that was the same length, width and number of doors and the saloon version but had a lower roofline, so the CLS can still be regarded as an "E-class coupe"

The Tesla isn't a cut-down version of anything, so I can't see how it could be a coupe or the estate version a shooting brake.

[Europa1]

Plug Life said:

That thick chrome stripe around the last window makes me puke uncontrollably.

I think you may need serious medical help if that's happening.

[mwstewart]

That's smart.

[Muddle238]

This certainly has a more attractive roofline than the blue car, they seem to have integrated the sloping rear passenger door window line into the rest of the car slightly better. However I'm not sure about that overly thick chrome trim around the rear windows, that needs to be toned down a bit. Nice colour though.

[gigglebug]

kambites said:

gigglebug said:

Isn't it because when looking back at the very first examples of vehicles to be referred to as 'shooting brakes' they just happened to all have 3 doors as oppose to it being a clearly defined factor as to what constitutes the term?

I'm pretty sure the very first examples of vehicles referred to as 'shooting brakes' were pulled along by horses. It was just a carriage designed specifically for carrying shooting parties and their equipment.

I'll elaborate on what I put to say motorised vehicles then but I was talking about the cars and not the horse drawn carriages which preceeded them. The point being made was that many would describe a shooting brake as only having 3 doors because the original examples were so but in reality the number of doors was never a defining factor as to what constituted it being a shooting brake in the first place.

As you quite rightly point out they were originally adaptions of the brake carriages used to break in horses and used for hunting parties.

Shooting brake or not this is at least a good looking conversion to my eyes even if I would have no personal interest in having one myself.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 12th June 14:09

[Plug Life]

Europa1 said:

I think you may need serious medical help if that's happening.

Luckily it stops when I look away from the photos – problem solved!

[kambites]

The earliest motorised shooting brake I can see on google is the 1910 Rolls Royce Ghost which had one door on the back for access to bench seats down each side. The front of the cabin where the driver sits was entirely open to the elements at the sides.

These days I'm going with the "wky marketing term" definition.

[gigglebug]

kambites said:

The earliest motorised shooting brake I can see on google is the 1910 Rolls Royce Ghost which had one door on the back for access to bench seats down each side. The front of the cabin where the driver sits was entirely open to the elements at the sides.

I expect he would have been grateful to have any doors then! My phone won't let me copy the picture onto here unfortunately otherwise I'd stick it up.

[gigglebug]

Do I need to elaborate on my elaboration to conclude that they had three points of entry/exit and not necessarily doors?

[Plug Life]

kambites said:

These days I'm going with the "wky marketing term" definition.

Holland & Holland have a custom FFRR with gun and booze cabinets in the boot. That's the real deal, innit?

[Shiv_P]

Hopefully he fixes the ste interior as well

[loose cannon]

unpc said:

That's not a shooting brake though is it? It's an estate...

shooting breaks are 2 door cars converted to be able to carry a shot gun and picnic hamper
Maybe a bottle of brandy or port
It’s just more marketing guff from a manufacturer that thrives on total guff

[suffolk009]

unpc said:

That's not a shooting brake though is it? It's an estate...

Exactly. It's a five door estate. And not a very attractive one at that.

Shooting Brakes are required to have only two passenger doors. And if anybody thinks these terms are interchangeable, you might as well just call it a coupe or a convertible instead?

[TooMany2cvs]

suffolk009 said:

Shooting Brakes are required to have only two passenger doors. And if anybody thinks these terms are interchangeable, you might as well just call it a coupe or a convertible instead?

May I refer you back to that Mk3 Escort...?

[suffolk009]

TooMany2cvs said:

suffolk009 said:

Shooting Brakes are required to have only two passenger doors. And if anybody thinks these terms are interchangeable, you might as well just call it a coupe or a convertible instead?

May I refer you back to that Mk3 Escort...?

Yup. I'll see your Escort and raise you an original Mini Clubman.

[TooMany2cvs]

suffolk009 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

suffolk009 said:

Shooting Brakes are required to have only two passenger doors. And if anybody thinks these terms are interchangeable, you might as well just call it a coupe or a convertible instead?

May I refer you back to that Mk3 Escort...?

Yup. I'll see your Escort and raise you an original Mini Clubman.

I was thinking similar direction - Austin 1100/1300 and friends. Or Allegro. My, BL did build a lot of "shooting brakes". <thinks> "Shooting broke"?

[pycraft]

TooMany2cvs said:

I was thinking similar direction - Austin 1100/1300 and friends. Or Allegro. My, BL did build a lot of "shooting brakes". <thinks> "Shooting broke"?

Broken st?

[nyxster]

loose cannon said:

shooting breaks are 2 door cars converted to be able to carry a shot gun and picnic hamper
Maybe a bottle of brandy or port
It’s just more marketing guff from a manufacturer that thrives on total guff

I thought a shooting break was a weekend away on a country estate.

[SiH]

Snubs said:

oilit said:

not sure about that chrome roof rail treatment with the rear body up to the top of the tailgate/roof...

Indeed. My suspicion is that because that was the bit they got to design, the went OTT with it.

Indeed, if about 500-600 hours went into the sketches then perhaps they should have stopped at about 100? It’s nice but a bit too over-egged. The use of chrome to try and visually drop the roofline is a bit too garish for me. I’d make a feature of the fact it’s an estate... sorry, I mean shooting brake.