RE: Porsche wants you to know the Taycan is coming
Discussion
fblm said:
Thanks. Could this be the first EV that's genuinely fun to drive?
Other than the i8 i3 Tesla roadster ipace me etc? Honestly a 2.5 tonne 5 Seater it'll be quick and well tuned, and probably more fun than a model s, how much fun is the panamera hybrid? Guessing it'll be mostly like that
RobDickinson said:
CS Garth said:
I give Tesla 2 years
Two years for the Model S 200PD with retard mode (0-60 1.8 seconds)?Porsche will have taken a Model S P100D apart but it's a moving target.
Currently the Model S and Model 3 are the best selling cars in their segment in the US, Tesla is limited by its production not by demand.
Tesla will be the iPhone of electric cars, it's first to market and has a distinctive brand, all other car manufacturers electric vehicles will end up being the Android phones.
You can discuss the relative merits of them vs the iPhone, they may as a group hold the majority of the market but the iPhone has the largest share and is the most profitable product of all time.
Talksteer said:
Two years for the Model S 200PD with retard mode (0-60 1.8 seconds)?
Porsche will have taken a Model S P100D apart but it's a moving target.
Exactly , they are all aiming for tesla circa 2012.Porsche will have taken a Model S P100D apart but it's a moving target.
CS Garth said:
I'm being a littlle facitious but I struggle to see how a company that loses 2.5bn per annum, makes <50k vehicles with some difficulty and whose market USP is about to get eroded significantly will ever turn a profit from vehicles. They've had some high profile departures (Schwall and Keller particularly). Challenging times indeed.
They make ~120k cars a year on just the X and S. And if you are scaling up the largest battery plant plus new production lines that costs money. Have they been as efficient as possible? probably not but they are a (relatively) new company.Could they go bust within the next few years? yeah, but they will be saved somehow ( bought out, merged, something) rather than go away.
They will be on to $100 per kwh for pack level batteries before this car hits the road, already well ahead on energy density .
Sion111R said:
Side sauce. No offence meant, just a cheap shot at teeing up the Taycan foregranted comment. Which was quickly outdone by the far funnier overtaycan conundrum.
Sorry, not taking this seriously. Thanks for your interesting post.
I look forward to Taycan one of these for a spin one day.
None taken good sir!Sorry, not taking this seriously. Thanks for your interesting post.
I look forward to Taycan one of these for a spin one day.
GT03ROB said:
My son sold Tesla's last year. For the Tesla S they targeted Panamera potential owners. Porsche & Tesla seem to be targeting a similar market for their cars. You can argue the validity of this but it does seem to be what the manufacturers see.
Sounds about right, similar size/performance/cost.Tesla have sold ~8000 model S's in the US this year so far, Porsche sold 6700 Panamera in the whole of last year there. I honestly doubt they will be making enough to meet demand though.
GT03ROB said:
My son sold Tesla's last year. For the Tesla S they targeted Panamera potential owners. Porsche & Tesla seem to be targeting a similar market for their cars. You can argue the validity of this but it does seem to be what the manufacturers see.
I appreciate Porsche will chase the income stream.Porsche have cited the importance in replacing the missing sensory involvement in their alternative power cars. Perhaps they’ll rethink their own approach with future releases.
I currently actually respect Tesla more than Porsche on this. Tesla haven’t really covered up their cars are basically an iPad with wheels.
Porsche are feeding (with that projectile vomit inducing video) their product is not missing half the experience whilst offering a Musk vision with a different badge. All that “soul” guff is so pleading it’s an admission.
Given this is the future and their line up will inevitably become fully EV I hope once they claim a stake they break from platform following to thinking outside the box for future offerings.
Buggyjam said:
All that “soul” guff is so pleading it’s an admission.
[deep voice mode]all our cars have soul, every single one, no one else's, only ours[/deep voice mode]It really is trash, implying only their cars have soul, yet also telling us their marketing is 100% based around something totally immeasurable.
Its also insulting to every other car manufacturer.
I see the average 911 as pretty soulless let alone the diesel suv's they've littered the planet with.
RobDickinson said:
I see the average 911 as pretty soulless let alone the diesel suv's they've littered the planet with.
Totally agree.... it's been like this for years. The first Porsche I drove was a 996 Turbo..... I wanted a 911 always had... drove it & was like .... is that it? However I then drove a GT3 & realised this is it. They are very very capable cars but unless you go to specific models are soulless & you might as well compare with Mercs or BMWs. RobDickinson said:
[deep voice mode]all our cars have soul, every single one, no one else's, only ours[/deep voice mode]
It really is trash, implying only their cars have soul, yet also telling us their marketing is 100% based around something totally immeasurable.
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It really is trash, implying only their cars have soul, yet also telling us their marketing is 100% based around something totally immeasurable.
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love it I also loved that when blabbing on about “soul” between the storm cloud and a random ballerina it was all fire breathing noisy, smelly GT track dragons.
And then. Behold....er...
“oh yeah it’s still soul folks. It’s not a kitchen appliance with lights. It’s not a Tesla. Honest. Check that badge fools. Can’t you just feeeeel the soul?? No? Well let me tell you it has soul. Feeel the soul.”
fblm said:
Talksteer said:
Tesla will be the iPhone of electric cars, it's first to market and has a distinctive brand, all other car manufacturers electric vehicles will end up being the Android phones.
Or it could be Nokia or Blackberry... such analogies are entirely pointlessIt must really be worrying Tesla owners that their driveways will prove incompatible with cars from other manufacturers.
With the competition limbering up, I am curious to see whether Tesla repeat their very targeted sales efforts of last year, when they really seemed to be working hard to get in front of people they thought might be interested
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