RE: Prior Convictions: Life after the SUV
Discussion
Fastdruid said:
I disagree. Ok so I live *on* the border of a city (the border goes round the back of the house on my road) and mostly work from home so rarely get stuck in commuting hell but every roundabout can either be fun or dull even in urban settings depending on the car.
Ok if you live in London where it's rammed day and night and you're never getting out of a traffic jam or manage to take a corner faster than 15mph due it may be different. Even then though, on the motorway the sliproads are fun on something that handles and there is entertainment to be had by full bore acceleration from restrictions. Encouraged at times by giggles and "again" from the back...
It's all what you make of it and if you don't care about that aspect of driving you're right, there is no point care about driving dynamics and may as well get an SUV. If you want to take a corner with any kind of pace or even a take a tight urban roundabout at quick (but still legal) pace then just no.
I live in London. Ok if you live in London where it's rammed day and night and you're never getting out of a traffic jam or manage to take a corner faster than 15mph due it may be different. Even then though, on the motorway the sliproads are fun on something that handles and there is entertainment to be had by full bore acceleration from restrictions. Encouraged at times by giggles and "again" from the back...
It's all what you make of it and if you don't care about that aspect of driving you're right, there is no point care about driving dynamics and may as well get an SUV. If you want to take a corner with any kind of pace or even a take a tight urban roundabout at quick (but still legal) pace then just no.
Touareg plenty faster than 320s / 1 series etc for slip road acceleration etc. Sure it won't corner on a tight urban roundabout; just go straight through em.
Plug Life said:
Matt prior said:
It matters because compact SUVs and crossovers are generally grim, and because sleek estates look great, have a lower mass, lower centre of gravity, can have more power for the same emissions and are, therefore, generally more fun to drive.
BEV SUVs have low center of gravity, have more power with zero local emissions and spank the arses of other SUVs.
A decent estate car that could meet the requirements to fit 3 child seats in the back for those under the age of 12, would be a welcome addition to the line up of current cars on offer? I mean, surely someone exactly like Peugeot, or Kia, could manage something along those lines?
From a recent article that I can't find the link to right now, a lot of cars really do not offer this properly, hence the rise in the number of "big" SUVs - because they often look a lot better than the comparable MPV of old, and can fit all the kids in with their correct safety seats etc.
But then the impacticalities of the width of such a car, or the compromise on boot space if you have to put some in a cramped 3rd row of seats, generally the "older" child who has the cognitive ability to put their own seatbelt without mum or dad having to squeeze into the back to do so.
From a recent article that I can't find the link to right now, a lot of cars really do not offer this properly, hence the rise in the number of "big" SUVs - because they often look a lot better than the comparable MPV of old, and can fit all the kids in with their correct safety seats etc.
But then the impacticalities of the width of such a car, or the compromise on boot space if you have to put some in a cramped 3rd row of seats, generally the "older" child who has the cognitive ability to put their own seatbelt without mum or dad having to squeeze into the back to do so.
smilo996 said:
Spot on.
Problem is that those who like SUV's just cannot squeeze their oversized egos and sense of entitlement into a functional vehicle.
What a load of utter nonsense. My mother has an SUV, mainly because its easy to get in and out of and she likes the higher up driving position, she has neither an oversized ego or a sense of entitlement, and your post just smacks of someone who can''t handle that not everyone thins the same as you.Problem is that those who like SUV's just cannot squeeze their oversized egos and sense of entitlement into a functional vehicle.
anonymous said:
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Haven't Lexus and the likes of Infinity showed the way in what is viewed as value in this sector: the entry level price points are broadly similar to the German competition, however the Japanese are better equipped as standard. Kia Stinger is doing the same, offering Audi A5 alike styling and and 4 series comparable handling for a similar price to those two, but the spec sheet of the Kia is as long as the options list of the other two.We rented a Kia Optima this week for work. Far from premium. Rode well though.
I think there's a video on the tube from Car Wow reviewing the Stinger where the guy shows how loose the centre console is.
That's just shoddy in 2018 no matter what price point or segment you're aiming the product at.
I think there's a video on the tube from Car Wow reviewing the Stinger where the guy shows how loose the centre console is.
That's just shoddy in 2018 no matter what price point or segment you're aiming the product at.
"I have a young family and had to get a practical Dad motor , sleeker, faster better looking german estate so following the herd and buying the same as everyone else was the only option for me, An SUV is motoring death IMO.
Predictable.
A quick count on wikipedia showed around 70 car producing nations. Granted, some build cars under licence to major manufacturers, some build very specialist products and most don't sell in this country, but to say that there are only 4 (or so) you would consider shows a lack of imagination.
And I guess PSA are doing OK: they bought Vauxhall / Opel, didn't they?
Predictable.
A quick count on wikipedia showed around 70 car producing nations. Granted, some build cars under licence to major manufacturers, some build very specialist products and most don't sell in this country, but to say that there are only 4 (or so) you would consider shows a lack of imagination.
And I guess PSA are doing OK: they bought Vauxhall / Opel, didn't they?
I don't think the SUV trend is going anywhere and a rash of regulations won't stop it, no matter how stringent. The established automakers will find ways around the rules, one way or the other (if you get my drift, VAG)
I do think that the marketing of cars is more nuanced than singular propositions; brands like Audi and BMW have to carry multiple values that cater to their disparate markets, segments and buyers. And maybe there is scope for brands that have struggled, like Peugeot and Vauxhall and challengers like Kia and Hyundai to carve out their own multifaceted brand personas.
Lots of car brands use anomalous models to lift overall perceptions, whether its Mitsubishi's EVO, Mazda's MX5 or Audi's R8 — remember when that was launched, people scoffed that nobody would pay Porsche money for a car with 4 rings on the bonnet. BMW have been less successful with numerous attempts over the years to get on a par with Stuttgart.
I've not driven one, but I understand the Stinger is an impressive car and it's snobbery to think that Asian car makers can't learn to build world-class products just as their Japanese counterparts have.
I do think that the marketing of cars is more nuanced than singular propositions; brands like Audi and BMW have to carry multiple values that cater to their disparate markets, segments and buyers. And maybe there is scope for brands that have struggled, like Peugeot and Vauxhall and challengers like Kia and Hyundai to carve out their own multifaceted brand personas.
Lots of car brands use anomalous models to lift overall perceptions, whether its Mitsubishi's EVO, Mazda's MX5 or Audi's R8 — remember when that was launched, people scoffed that nobody would pay Porsche money for a car with 4 rings on the bonnet. BMW have been less successful with numerous attempts over the years to get on a par with Stuttgart.
I've not driven one, but I understand the Stinger is an impressive car and it's snobbery to think that Asian car makers can't learn to build world-class products just as their Japanese counterparts have.
Fastdruid said:
Helicopter123 said:
Do they still sell 'estate cars' in the US?
I think in the US, "Station wagons" were pretty much obliterated by SUV's in the 90's but starting to make a comeback. eg http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2018-buick...
some complaints here seem to view life through a macaroni
SUVs offer unique benefits relative to saloons and estates -- and SUVs lead quite nicely in the direction of onboard experiences and autonomous pods
the sort of shrill cries here about mediocrity are using an imbalanced set of weights and measures; a bit tiresome actually
no matter what happens in the years ahead, there will always be choice; at least for most people; and mass customization will delight you like never before; think globally-crowdsourced sports cars which are then assembled regionally, in part via 3D printing
stop. whinging.
anonymous said:
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their attention to space and its multipurpose uses is indeed directly applicabletheir pioneering of onboard entertainment as well
there is also a social or extended family element to SUV usage -- again directly applicable
as is the go (almost) anywhere character of the powertrain and chassis brief: being a soft-roader that works on tired, undulating roads as well as unfinished surfaces and in all weather
unsprung said:
some complaints here seem to view life through a macaroni
SUVs offer unique benefits relative to saloons and estates -- and SUVs lead quite nicely in the direction of onboard experiences and autonomous pods
SUVs also offer unique drawbacks relative to saloons and estates. And SUVs don't offer anything that estates or saloons don't offer interior-wise, apart from slightly raised ride height. Regarding autonomy, there's nothing about SUVs that gives them any sort of advantage.SUVs offer unique benefits relative to saloons and estates -- and SUVs lead quite nicely in the direction of onboard experiences and autonomous pods
You must be trolling...
People buy them because they fit their needs and budget, they arent arsed about"Driving Dynamics", it fitts people and stuff in, it isnt too expensive, not sure why we are worrying ourselves about what others used to cart their kids and shopping about, we had a Galaxy for years, I really enjoyed that car as it had my three lads in it, we went places and did stuff, it was comfy and had loads of space, did 35 plus to the gallon and was safe.
Even as a petrolhead, sometimes you arent arsed about speed and handling.
The compact SUV is the evolution of family transport, used to be small saloons, estates and hatchbacks, they are now sort of the "grey goo" of motoring, do a bit of everything.
Even as a petrolhead, sometimes you arent arsed about speed and handling.
The compact SUV is the evolution of family transport, used to be small saloons, estates and hatchbacks, they are now sort of the "grey goo" of motoring, do a bit of everything.
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Salamura said:
SUVs also offer unique drawbacks relative to saloons and estates. And SUVs don't offer anything that estates or saloons don't offer interior-wise, apart from slightly raised ride height. Regarding autonomy, there's nothing about SUVs that gives them any sort of advantage.
You must be trolling...
that sort of logic reminds me of the earnest city of Rochester, New York -- on the shores of the Great LakesYou must be trolling...
generations of families, millions of people, were raised there under the once indomitable Kodak
the Bristol Brabazon also comes to mind
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