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harrykul said:
A good friend has a c32 saloon. The drivetrain is great, and the seats are very comfortable, trimmed in Nappa leather. That's about all that I can positively comment on, and he'd probably agree. They all will have rust somewhere or other: his does in all the usual places. Think he's going to sell it if you're interested in a 'project'....
Just dropped into the thread and spotted this. How 'projecty' are we talking?Regarding the exchange below (very helpful it was too, thank you!)...
I test drove a Rangie today, but rather than th3 4.4V8 (BMW engine?) it was the 4.2 Supercharged (Jaguar engine?) one. It was excellent - I was really very surprised how quiet it was, very quiet, I really liked the solid build quality and it had a very posh LPG system fitted into the spare wheel well, so isn't any different in MPG to my current E39!
Are the gearboxes an issue on these as they are with the 4.4 petrol? What are the pitfalls of the supercharged Rangie?
If this one hadn't had bubbling rear arches both sides, I think I would have bought it,.
Geekman said:
Sterillium said:
My lovely 530 Sport Touring will be appearing in the PH classifieds soon, if I can get the damn thing to upload, so naturally I’m already looking at other things that I should not be looking at...
Tempted by this, below, what kind of price do we think it should be and what are the things to check?
Advert: “2005 Range Rover Sport 4.4 V8 HSE, with 112,000 miles full black leather and high spec inc sat nav, 12 months MOT and full service history with recent front wheel bearings done.”
It has had a new MOT this week and apparently the sat nav sometimes freezes. But otherwise it is stated to be in good health with no known issues.
I got one of these recently, albeit the S/C version. Never been much of a fan before but I'm loving it.Tempted by this, below, what kind of price do we think it should be and what are the things to check?
Advert: “2005 Range Rover Sport 4.4 V8 HSE, with 112,000 miles full black leather and high spec inc sat nav, 12 months MOT and full service history with recent front wheel bearings done.”
It has had a new MOT this week and apparently the sat nav sometimes freezes. But otherwise it is stated to be in good health with no known issues.
The sat nav wouldn't concern me - the audio and bluetooth controls are on a separate unit, and you don't really need the sat nav screen to change the off road modes. The sat nav itself is outdated and useless anyway: you're much better off using Waze or something.
Check the car sits level when parked on level ground and that all the arch gaps are more or less the same. If one corner of the car is lower than the other, it could indicate an air suspension fault.
Use the little arrows in the centre console to raise and lower the car - if it doesn't work or a fault light comes up, there's likely to be an air suspension problem.
At that mileage, I'd want to see evidence that the air struts and compressor have been replaced. If they haven't, budget £300 per corner for good quality Arnott struts and similar or less for the compressor, depending on if you're planning on repairing or replacing it. The struts are very easy to change yourself: it's the same procedure as on the Jaguar XJ and Arnott provide an instructional video for you.
If you can see a little "i" on the dash screen, press the little button on the end of the left hand stalk to cycle through and see what the warning is. Could be something as simple as low washer fluid, equally could be a serious fault - just make sure you check what it says.
The gearbox should shift smoothly: the gearbox oil should really have been changed by 112k miles but many people don't, as it's not on the service schedule.
Check all doors open from the inside and outside, and all windows go up and down correctly. It could be because I live in a hot climate, but most of the ones I saw had issues with door mechanisms snapping off inside etc.
Use the 4x4 controls in the centre console to check the 4x4 system works with no grinding noises/juddering.
Check there's no whining noise when driving on the motorway at 70-90: one I tried did this which the seller insisted was just the supercharger and was totally normal, the one I ended up buying doesn't do it at all, and after further research it can apparently indicate diff/alternator problems.
That's all I can think of atm: feel free to message me if you need any more help. Cars are generally abused where I live, so I looked at a lot of bad ones before I got mine and feel like I've seen most of the possible problems.
Caruso said:
I’ve been doing just that for the last 7 years. Can’t think of anything I’d rather be in without spending an awful lot more money.
Ooh nice Dino in the background. I had one for a few years - wish I still had it!tobinen said:
Lovely. A 540 Touring must be a super thing to smoke about in.
layercake said:
Guys, i wanted to know what you are paying to insure a car which can't be covered by a classic car policy, obviously 2nd car the insurers won;t let you use your NCD if it is being used on another
for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
Not sure how much help I can be but for what it's worth.... From rough memory I'm paying something in the order of £600 total for all three, but the Porsche and Mercedes are on agreed-value limited mileage classics policies, so NCD not applicable to them, and I insure my E39 as a daily driver, because that's what it is. I have max NCD on that. They're all done through the same broker though and underwritten by the same underwriter, and that helps bring the costs down a bit because they seem to think I'm unlikely to wreck them all at once. Plus I have a clean licence, a zillion years without a claim (fingers crossed) and am a reassuring sort of age.for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
If you're running two cars which both fall into the conventional used car category, i.e. neither qualifies for a classic policy, then as far as I can see you have two choices -
1. seeing what a multi-car policy would cost, like that offered by the senior naval officer (I have no idea how NCD works with those)
2. or just insuring them separately in which case you have to build up an NCD on the second car. I've had to do that in the past and it's not great for the first year, but it's just part of the game.
Edited by Lowtimer on Thursday 23 August 18:18
layercake said:
Guys, i wanted to know what you are paying to insure a car which can't be covered by a classic car policy, obviously 2nd car the insurers won;t let you use your NCD if it is being used on another
for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
try these guys, highly recommeneded in the classic VW world:for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
https://www.rhspecialistinsurance.co.uk/
I had a pretty modified 1972 beetle with all mods declared and 3000 mile limit. The last price I paid before I sold the car was £109 fully comp! It was a second car also and had no NCD.
Gratutitous pic (apologies to spoil the barge thread!):
layercake said:
MJK 24 said:
Zonergem said:
Someone's going to get a bargain... maybe it should be me.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-w...
I think that car could fetch quite a bit more. Mine raised £3,500. It was a 4 cylinder without leather and would have benefitted from a suspension and steering overhaul. The bodywork was perfect though.https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-w...
Lowtimer said:
layercake said:
Guys, i wanted to know what you are paying to insure a car which can't be covered by a classic car policy, obviously 2nd car the insurers won;t let you use your NCD if it is being used on another
for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
Not sure how much help I can be but for what it's worth.... From rough memory I'm paying something in the order of £600 total for all three, but the Porsche and Mercedes are on agreed-value limited mileage classics policies, so NCD not applicable to them, and I insure my E39 as a daily driver, because that's what it is. I have max NCD on that. They're all done through the same broker though and underwritten by the same underwriter, and that helps bring the costs down a bit because they seem to think I'm unlikely to wreck them all at once. Plus I have a clean licence, a zillion years without a claim (fingers crossed) and am a reassuring sort of age.for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
If you're running two cars which both fall into the conventional used car category, i.e. neither qualifies for a classic policy, then as far as I can see you have two choices -
1. seeing what a multi-car policy would cost, like that offered by the senior naval officer (I have no idea how NCD works with those)
2. or just insuring them separately in which case you have to build up an NCD on the second car. I've had to do that in the past and it's not great for the first year, but it's just part of the game.
Edited by Lowtimer on Thursday 23 August 18:18
Has anyone ever attempted to remove tinted windows film? YouTube points towards either using a steamer or a hair dryer, neither of which I own nor particularly want to buy. I guess I may have to.
tobinen said:
No.2 is my experience with the new-to-me Touring. Bloody £482 to insure fully comp.
My experience suggests comp is often the cheapest anyway, but it's worth checking. Despite what we threadists might think, an old BMW is rarely worth repairing and if 3PF&T is cheaper for you it would be worth considering. Sterillium said:
Regarding the exchange below (very helpful it was too, thank you!)...
I test drove a Rangie today, but rather than th3 4.4V8 (BMW engine?) it was the 4.2 Supercharged (Jaguar engine?) one. It was excellent - I was really very surprised how quiet it was, very quiet, I really liked the solid build quality and it had a very posh LPG system fitted into the spare wheel well, so isn't any different in MPG to my current E39!
Are the gearboxes an issue on these as they are with the 4.4 petrol? What are the pitfalls of the supercharged Rangie?
If this one hadn't had bubbling rear arches both sides, I think I would have bought it,.
Gearboxes are no more or less an issue than with the other engines as far as I'm aware: if it shifts smoothly and the oil has been changed then you should be fine. The same engine in the XJR occasionally has the plastic coolant pipe in the centre of the engine fail, which is a big job to fix, but I've never heard of it happening to the RRS and I had 2 XJRs which never had any such issues.I test drove a Rangie today, but rather than th3 4.4V8 (BMW engine?) it was the 4.2 Supercharged (Jaguar engine?) one. It was excellent - I was really very surprised how quiet it was, very quiet, I really liked the solid build quality and it had a very posh LPG system fitted into the spare wheel well, so isn't any different in MPG to my current E39!
Are the gearboxes an issue on these as they are with the 4.4 petrol? What are the pitfalls of the supercharged Rangie?
If this one hadn't had bubbling rear arches both sides, I think I would have bought it,.
I would however be sure to check the LPG system is indeed a very fancy one. The 4.2 doesn't take well to LPG without a valve lube system: a high quality installation should include this in which case I'd imagine it should be fine, but you'd need to make very sure it was all in order, as a cheap installation could ruin the entire engine. It's not like the Hemi Jeeps where you can stick basically anything on it and it'll run fine.
layercake said:
Guys, i wanted to know what you are paying to insure a car which can't be covered by a classic car policy, obviously 2nd car the insurers won;t let you use your NCD if it is being used on another
for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
A few years ago, I had my only car (an E39) insured as a classic with Footman James. I needed to be part of a recognised car club (the official BMW club counted) and, if memory serves, it was about £380/year including the club membership. Unlimited mileage, too.for example i have been quoted the thick end of 500 for a e39 full comp
tobinen said:
Has anyone ever attempted to remove tinted windows film? YouTube points towards either using a steamer or a hair dryer, neither of which I own nor particularly want to buy. I guess I may have to.
Yes. My Double Six had dark tints to the rear door windows and rear screen when I got it:
It looked a lot nicer when done (no shots from the same angle in my storage but you can see how much lighter the interior appears now):
I did use a hair drier to warm it up a bit but even then it didn't all come off in one go. A hazy film of glue stuff was left all over so the main tip I have is to use lots of old cloths, changed frequently (I cut up some worn out shirts) and lots of nail varnish remover, which acted as a solvent to remove all the glue with a bit of agitation.
On the insurance subject, M5 is around £300 a year on a 5k mileage limit.
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