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[ST565NP]

Rubins4 said:

Any more detail as to which Uniroyals or Contis? I just know that I'll go to look at some reviews and still be in the same position I am now without a bit more guidance.

Thank you chaps.

Uniroyal Rainexpert 3, better than similar Conti, and cheaper. Found out the hard way on my Focus Mk1

[cornershop]

Dunlop bluresponse on the Lex - possibly the best tyre I’ve fitted in terms of durability, quietness and wet performance.

Have p6000 on the (hopefully) incoming car - I’ve not read much good about them.

ETA - My bad, it has PZeros

[cornershop]

ST565NP said:

Uniroyal Rainexpert 3, better than similar Conti, and cheaper. Found out the hard way on my Focus Mk1

Better in what way?

[anonymous-user]

I had P6000s on the front of a V70 T5 and they were really very good but had them on the rear of an MX5 and they were absolutely lethal, sliding out dramatically at walking pace on roundabouts in the rain.

Pirelli are terrible with model names, there is a P7 Cinturato and the P7 Cinturato Blue. They are both good but the Blue is the one I've found to be everlasting. I think there are half a dozen variants of P Zero too.

[ST565NP]

cornershop said:

Better in what way?

Better in driving and braking when wet but also in dry. I compared it with Conti Ecocontrol 2. Will wear sooner but is aprox. 25% cheaper.

[TobyLerone]

ST565NP said:

Better in driving and braking when wet but also in dry. I compared it with Conti Ecocontrol 2. Will wear sooner but is aprox. 25% cheaper.

I've just put 5 brand new Uniroyal Rainexpert tyres on my LS400.

Quiet on the motorway (even concrete slab sections) smooth riding, and good in the cold wet weather. A significant improvement from the 10 year old mismatched and perished tyres which were fitted previously...

I think it's one of the most appropriate Bargista-spec tyres for recommending in our quiet and well natured corner of PH.

[austinsmirk]

uniroyal rainsport 3's. its all I fit now. honestly good value and great in wet and have kept me going in the snow even.

prob get them, about £78 a corner- and then £10 a corner for fitting. I usually buy through tyreleader- although local tyre place has price matched when I've shown them t'internet prices.

[BorniteIdentity]

I’m not sure why you wouldn’t fit CrossClimate’s tbh. They are a truly remarkable tyre; genuinely revolutionary. Yes, the car didn’t have this type of rubber when new - but tyres have come a long way in 30 years and the humble w201 has not.

Fit the best, and I’d argue that - short of summer and winter tyres - this is the best compromise.

[ian316]

SpeckledJim said:

0a said:

The Ad says it has had a cheapo respray - they couldn't even be bothered to mask the handles off!

Sugar. OK, do not want.

It's one screw to take the handles off some ebay ones and 30 minutes problem solved, although if the sprayer wasn't a cock it wouldn't need doing

[Stedman]

Rubins4 said:

P6 - Nothing to do with the P6000? I had a set on my last barge (Volvo V70 Classic estate) which were very poor in the wet, although in fairness they were perhaps a bit old and worn.

No, they were st when new too!

[Zonergem]

The 190E will likely want the common Merc size 195/65/15 and the last test of that size put the Hankook K125 Ventus Prime 3 on top of the pile.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-AutoBild...

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m53b0s418p135496/Hankoo...

[SpeckledJim]

ian316 said:

SpeckledJim said:

0a said:

The Ad says it has had a cheapo respray - they couldn't even be bothered to mask the handles off!

Sugar. OK, do not want.

It's one screw to take the handles off some ebay ones and 30 minutes problem solved, although if the sprayer wasn't a cock it wouldn't need doing

Granted, but I think a respray so slapdash that they didn't mask off the handles (much less remove them) will be horrible in twenty different ways. Better to spend a couple of grand on a nicer car, IMO.

[CharlesdeGaulle]

SpeckledJim said:

... Better to spend a couple of grand on a nicer car, IMO.

Have you learned nothing here old chap? That's not the way it's done at all; what fun would readers cars be if we all followed that line?

And you? You should know better.

[SpeckledJim]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

SpeckledJim said:

... Better to spend a couple of grand on a nicer car, IMO.

Have you learned nothing here old chap? That's not the way it's done at all; what fun would readers cars be if we all followed that line?

And you? You should know better.

I know, I'm the cheapest of all skates, but if owning a 190e is to be fun, it's got to be a car you can feel a bit of pride in.

I like very much that it's a mad colour, and if it was either honestly sheddy, or very nice, it'd be great. But a slapdash respray is lippyonapig territory. Makes my face go all scrunchy.

[r129sl]

BorniteIdentity said:

I’m not sure why you wouldn’t fit CrossClimate’s tbh. They are a truly remarkable tyre; genuinely revolutionary. Yes, the car didn’t have this type of rubber when new - but tyres have come a long way in 30 years and the humble w201 has not.

Fit the best, and I’d argue that - short of summer and winter tyres - this is the best compromise.

The 190 definitely takes 185/65 R 15 size tyres. I'd fit Cross Climates, too. I can't see the point of ultra high performance tyres on anything that is not an ultra high performance car. If I were on a budget, I'd have a look at Fulda or Barum, especially the latter, each is owned by a premium manufacturers and they are essentially second-tier brands from first-tier makers. Or look at Kumho and Uniroyal.

These look very good value: https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7990p148744/Cont...

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7990p132336/Pire...

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m138b0s7990p132569/Kumh...

[alec.e]

It is £785!! As long as the paint isn't falling off in sheets, whats the issue? A major service on either of my cars might cost as much!

[ian316]

SpeckledJim said:

ian316 said:

SpeckledJim said:

0a said:

The Ad says it has had a cheapo respray - they couldn't even be bothered to mask the handles off!

Sugar. OK, do not want.

It's one screw to take the handles off some ebay ones and 30 minutes problem solved, although if the sprayer wasn't a cock it wouldn't need doing

Granted, but I think a respray so slapdash that they didn't mask off the handles (much less remove them) will be horrible in twenty different ways. Better to spend a couple of grand on a nicer car, IMO.

Exactly the point I was making, I dread to think what other overspray areas there are

[harrykul]

Another vote for CrossClimate here: just fitted them to our s500.

[JOB2.5-16]

Rubins4 said:

Any recommendations for new tyres on a non-sporty variant of a 190E?

I want exceptional ride-comfort (obviously), quietness and longevity, decent all-year grip, but 'handling' characteristics can take a back seat. Naturally, I want to pay next to nothing. Tyre size, from memory - 185 / 65 / 15. I'll be going for all 5.

I've had various 'budget tyres' (as Kwik-Sh*t insist on calling them), such as Falken & Toyo and been perfectly happy so the premium brands are not a requirement. What they classify Ling-Longs, I don't know.

Thanks in advance.

Edited by Rubins4 on Friday 7th December 11:24

Budget tyres should be fitted under any circumstances in my opinion. The rubber compounds and tread patterns are not up to the standard of Continental, Michelin, Dunlop and the like. In all of my experience driving old Merc's - they are noticeably smoother, grippier, quieter and more pleasant to drive on the best rubber. For example, my 2.5-16 is currently fitted with the Toyo Proxes R's it had on when I bought it. They've done less than 2000 miles and are as new in terms of tread. They're going in the bin next spring. It makes more road noise and doesn't grip as well as my ex 2.0 did on skinnier Continentals. The difference is pretty mind-blowing on a dry road, and then drive in the wet... Continental tyres are excellent in the wet and in my opinion make the best Summer Tyres available for these cars. At under £60 per corner (fitted) they're cheap as chips, and I cant see any argument against fitting them.

My course of action with almost any old car I have is powder coat the wheels and replace the tyres. I like to fit 'to the data card', which is why I have put Michelins on my 300CE. I decided on CrossClimates because of the rave reviews and the fact that they were the same price as summer Michelins - I've done about 1500 miles on them so far and am blown away by their performance in wet, dry and cold weather. If they're as good as they have been so far in snow, I don't think I'll ever fit anything else to a daily Benz again. The Cosworth will be getting Continentals in the spring and I'll stick to P Zeros on the Porsche.

[ian316]

JOB2.5-16 said:

Rubins4 said:

Any recommendations for new tyres on a non-sporty variant of a 190E?

I want exceptional ride-comfort (obviously), quietness and longevity, decent all-year grip, but 'handling' characteristics can take a back seat. Naturally, I want to pay next to nothing. Tyre size, from memory - 185 / 65 / 15. I'll be going for all 5.

I've had various 'budget tyres' (as Kwik-Sh*t insist on calling them), such as Falken & Toyo and been perfectly happy so the premium brands are not a requirement. What they classify Ling-Longs, I don't know.

Thanks in advance.

Edited by Rubins4 on Friday 7th December 11:24

Budget tyres should be fitted under any circumstances in my opinion. The rubber compounds and tread patterns are not up to the standard of Continental, Michelin, Dunlop and the like. In all of my experience driving old Merc's - they are noticeably smoother, grippier, quieter and more pleasant to drive on the best rubber. For example, my 2.5-16 is currently fitted with the Toyo Proxes R's it had on when I bought it. They've done less than 2000 miles and are as new in terms of tread. They're going in the bin next spring. It makes more road noise and doesn't grip as well as my ex 2.0 did on skinnier Continentals. The difference is pretty mind-blowing on a dry road, and then drive in the wet... Continental tyres are excellent in the wet and in my opinion make the best Summer Tyres available for these cars. At under £60 per corner (fitted) they're cheap as chips, and I cant see any argument against fitting them.

My course of action with almost any old car I have is powder coat the wheels and replace the tyres. I like to fit 'to the data card', which is why I have put Michelins on my 300CE. I decided on CrossClimates because of the rave reviews and the fact that they were the same price as summer Michelins - I've done about 1500 miles on them so far and am blown away by their performance in wet, dry and cold weather. If they're as good as they have been so far in snow, I don't think I'll ever fit anything else to a daily Benz again. The Cosworth will be getting Continentals in the spring and I'll stick to P Zeros on the Porsche.

Well knowing where JOB lives if he turns left out of his place in winter that's a recommendation