RE: Mercedes-Benz W124 250D: PH Carpool

RE: Mercedes-Benz W124 250D: PH Carpool

Monday 25th June 2018

Mercedes-Benz W124 250D: PH Carpool

Why a diesel, manual Mercedes is proving just the ticket for this PHer



Name: Chas Randhawa
Car: 1991 Mercedes W124 250D
Owned since: February 2017
Previously owned: Over 40 cars.  MGB GT Sebring, Ford Ka x 2, Ford Escort XR3i Cabrio, Ford Escort RS Turbo S1, Volvo 740 x 2, Mercedes W124 x 2, Peugeot 106, 205 and 306 GTI, Renault Clio 172, Mini 998, MG Midgets, Porsche 944 S2 and Turbo, Triumph Stag, Dolly Sprint & Spitfire. Alfa 147 x 2, Toyota Carina Coupe, NA Mazda MX-5.  I still have a BMW E46 M3.

Why I bought it:
"From a young age I really liked the W124, it had a presence of solidity and class for years! I didn't feel the same way when its successor, the W210, came about.

"Many years ago I acquired my first W124 by chance - a 1991 300D Auto. I only owned it for a day since it was taken in part-exchange for my then 205 GTI and for me I knew it would be too much work to keep. Yet, despite the engine that didn't turn off, windows that only opened with a door open and a blowing exhaust I did enjoy the drive of it! Enough for it to leave a positive impression - I had to buy another one. The diesels in these things really help emphasise how sturdy they are, and also somehow suit the well built nature of the Merc; nothing seems too troubling for it!

"I almost bought one a year later. However, not long after, that itch would prove too much and I'd get another one. This time though something a little different, and not what I planned to buy. I came back with this, a W124 250D manual."


What I wish I'd known:
"How slow they are! OK. I am joking, I already knew that and knew I'd find it fine most of the time.

"What I should have done more research about was rot. I knew that they rotted out at the subframe mounts as well as at the jacking points. What I didn't realise was that the Sacco panels on later cars can hide all sorts of sins. And that the inner wings behind the headlamps are also a common rot spot, as is in rare cases the bulkhead itself."

Things I love:
"The diesel engine is a great match for this car. It's surprisingly refined for the time and quieter than even many modern common-rail diesels! It also feels like it can take on the world, albeit slowly...

"Many people actually shy away from the manual gearbox in W124s and to be honest I don't see why. With this 250D it is actually a surprisingly sprightly thing, as quick as a 230E I am told from others who have driven mine. Even the shift action isn't that bad. It' better than manual E46 M3s I have driven, which many people seem to love. It's also a lot better than an E36 323i manual ever was! This is also on 190,000 miles now, so it's no spring chicken. A specialist I know well once told me that the slower engines are better as a manual in W124s with the larger ones (300D and 260E and beyond) being more suited to an auto. I can wholeheartedly agree with that comment!

"Overall, it's the fact that this car didn't cost me a fortune - essentially Shed money - but is such a nice driver that makes me love it. I think it's great to have a car you don't take too seriously; it's what I've been missing for a long time."


Things I hate:
"Being called up for a taxi. No, just kidding! It's a bit of fun and honestly it just helps the charm of the old boat.

"It's not the tidiest car. But I really am clutching at straws as even that rarely bothers me!

"The woes of rust do worry me but then the car didn't cost a lot!"

Costs:
"I didn't buy the best example, mainly because I was being so tight with my budget. Good W124 diesels are now on the way up and it seems that trend isn't going away anytime soon.

"Maintenance costs are not too bad at all. A decent 10w 40 or 15w 40 oil doesn't break the bank, and all of the service parts are affordable too. Tyres are cheap even for decent brands; I scored a set of Goodyears for £90 a pair!

"Most parts are cheap even through the dealers, but of course there are a few exceptions; a door/ignition barrel from Mercedes (to work with your original keys) is £160, as is each wing. Both costs however seem a lot more reasonable than previous cars.

Where I've been:
"Well, I've taken this to Cornwall. Actually, that's a lie. I went to get the car from Cornwall! It's also been to a few PH meets.

"After doing a few road trips in the E46 M3 last year I decided upon buying the W124 that I'd take that also to places far and wide! It has just been to the Laon Historique where I also took it to Chimay. I never thought I'd be driving the circuit in this old car, but we made it..."


What next:
"It's funny; this car was designed to be a winter smoker, but it seems I have grown a little too attached to it! What could happen in future? I'd change the wings, maybe paint a few areas but leave some patina. It's nice to have a car where you are not quite so precious over where it is parked and so on. A few too many of my cars have been, including the Series 1 Escort RS Turbo, for the obvious reason that scoundrels liked to steal them.

"If it did become a keeper I wouldn't rule out an OM605 Turbo conversion. After all, I do have a few of the bits to make that easier.

"Besides that? I'd probably get rid if I decided to go to 'one car to do everything', like a 340i or an M135i. Otherwise, possibly a very clean 230TE or 300TD for reasonable money (read cheap for me!) would be tempting."

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Author
Discussion

Small Car

Original Poster:

877 posts

199 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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We had a 300D and an engine that didn't turn off as well.

We set a wire up through the front grill you would pull to switch it off.

Classy.

skylarking808

801 posts

86 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Having a Merc diesel with 230k miles on the clock as a daily I can agree with a couple of the comments.
Although a little newer (2004) it has a solidity and a feeling of I can do this all day that my fragile petrol sports cars never seem to have had!

Its also a result to have a good cheapish car that you are not too precious about or overly anxious about where to park.

Car looks classy OP and a great balance to the M3.

howardhughes

1,009 posts

204 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Great Cars. I remember back in 1989 my girlfriends father had a 260E. Light Blue metallic over dark blue base. Like yours! What a car. Solid, luxurious. The floor mats too. The smooth engine (auto) pulled like a train.
But if anything was to leave a lasting impression it was when closing the doors, a proper 'thud'.

A beautiful car. so much such so that nearly 25 years later I purchased a 190e 2.6
same engine I believe. Sadly had to let her go after a brief spell.

Great cars, built in an era when they knew how to make them.

Hairymonster

1,430 posts

105 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Built in an era where they made the best they could, regardless of what the bean-counters said.

Mr Tidy

22,370 posts

127 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Lovely car OP! thumbup

Many years ago I had a manual 1989 190e, and the gearbox was fine - mind you that had a normal handbrake! I suspect hill starts are a bit more tricky with a W124. biggrin

My biggest mistake was replacing it with a W202 C-Class - it wasn't built anywhere near as well. frown

pSyCoSiS

3,598 posts

205 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Solid cars from the golden era of Mercedes.

Is this not currently for sale on Retro Rides?

These cars will outlive all of us!

Charlie Michael

2,750 posts

184 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Just seen that the car is for sale. have you found your replacement car already OP?

bongtom

2,018 posts

83 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Great cars. Had a couple of 190D (non turbo. Reaaaally slow!).

The only engine you should really get in these is the M104 3.0/3.2/3.4 or 3.6 straight six petrol. Bullet proof and smooth.

SebringMan

1,773 posts

186 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Well, thanks for the comments! It's good to see that the car gives a similar impression to everyone here; a good driver that is dependable and solidly built.

Small Car said:
We had a 300D and an engine that didn't turn off as well.

We set a wire up through the front grill you would pull to switch it off.

Classy.
Oddly enough, the 300D I owned did have the remains of a cable to turn it off! It wasn't Pearl Blue with the reg J999 GEW was it?

Mr Tidy said:
Lovely car OP! thumbup

Many years ago I had a manual 1989 190e, and the gearbox was fine - mind you that had a normal handbrake! I suspect hill starts are a bit more tricky with a W124. biggrin

My biggest mistake was replacing it with a W202 C-Class - it wasn't built anywhere near as well. frown
The handbrake does make life interesting but if you drive like I do it's not really an issue, but I'm aware some don't. In short:

-Load up the clutch for 1/2 a second, if that
-Release the handbrake and drive away smile.

SMG M3 owners complain over the same things, but doing the above (well, load it gently via the throttle) or holding the left paddle in leaves no dramas, and I've parked that M3 on some iffy hills smile.

But yes, a normal handbrake is potentially easier, as is an EPB...

pSyCoSiS said:
Solid cars from the golden era of Mercedes.

Is this not currently for sale on Retro Rides?

These cars will outlive all of us!
It is indeed! It seems bar Mr. Child a few of us are in both pastures.

Charlie Michael said:
Just seen that the car is for sale. have you found your replacement car already OP?
Yes, sort of.

I never intended to keep the Mercedes for this long; it wasn't that bad a car to start with. But after sorting out a few things out it really helped the car and mainly the MPG; I went from doing high 30s to mid 40s with the brake calipers and fuel lines sorted smile. TBH I just enjoy driving it!

It doesn't "need" to go, as I suspect I'll need a winter car again unless I use the M3. But this is the bit of fun I have for now. It's alot more solid than the first impressions insinuate. I also have a habit of selling cars when they work very well! Maybe it's me being Robin Hood. Or a sickness.


tomic

720 posts

145 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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I remember being picked up in a very tired looking Taxi Spec one of these in 2003 at Düsseldorf airport. It had 600,000km on the clock. The driver told me it had been round the clock once already and was still going strong on it’s original engine and autobox at 1.6m km!

tedzwedz

80 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th June 2018
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Wonderful cars (W124)

Since sadiq Khan is about to make it & 30 a day to drive a diesel pre 2006 anywhere in the m25 and other cities doing the same I'm not sure how long prices for diesels will rise

bergxu

381 posts

157 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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Cracking Merc. But get that goddamn black ice tree off the rear view!!

J4CKO

41,588 posts

200 months

Friday 29th June 2018
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I nearly bought a 230CE, I have to venture, is there a bit of "Emperors new clothes" about W124s, even they have succumbed to the ravages of time and British Winters, most are pretty shagged now and that 230CE was a right ponderous, slow old thing, I can sort of see the point, I like the big steering wheel and the way they waft, but it didnt do anything else, it went round corners but cant say it was much fun, it was slow as hell and thought it was comfy enough, not exactly worth the compromises.

Seems to be a PH right of passage having a W124 and lavishing loads of money and attention to keep an old, not really that interesting car going.

Would have an E500 of course or maybe a minty fresh 320CE 24 valve thingy, the convertibles are quite nice, actually I am quite fancying a W124 now, gahhhh !