RE: Renault Sport Megane 280 vs. Hyundai i30 N
Discussion
Pommy said:
Im with the others here and say that equipment and quality thereof is at least, if not more, important than performance to hit hatch buyers now.
For example theres a reason numerous Megane RS versions didnt outsell the Golf GTI and its ilk. More people want auto and lots of kit, not a stripped bare track special. Some read great in EVO but in reality not so much on a crappy weds morning in february commuting to work.
I only had a 250 and thought it was pretty well equipped as standard, apart from the headlights that are like candles. There were a few things it had standard that are missing on my current (Skoda) car. The air con was like an arctic blizzard in the Renault too.For example theres a reason numerous Megane RS versions didnt outsell the Golf GTI and its ilk. More people want auto and lots of kit, not a stripped bare track special. Some read great in EVO but in reality not so much on a crappy weds morning in february commuting to work.
Hardly stripped out, though the interior in the new one is still a few steps behind other manufacturers imo and it's a shame they haven't taken more leaps in the right direction.
It'll be interesting to see how reliable the new ones are though.
Ajax Treesdown said:
Ahbefive said:
That's very good if it's actually stipulated. On the other hand how many people tell a dealer if they have used a car on track?
Has anyones warranty been voided from driving on track?
I have the Hyundai and its stipulated in the warranty documentation that you are covered for one track day per year for the full 5 year warranty. Has anyones warranty been voided from driving on track?
Article said:
Swapping back into the Hyundai after prolonged exposure to the Renault makes its defence unravel further. It's more dynamically dogmatic, offering up fewer approaches to its driver and in a fiercer manner. There's no doubt it's tremendously entertaining and mightily capable, but only when driven the way it wants to be driven - the Renault is more amenable to the driver's wishes
Can anyone explain to a driving non-God what this paragraph means? Even allowing for four wheel steer, I don't understand why one hatch with FWD and an LSD should offer more options than another. It's not like you'll be doing powerslides in the Mégane... so what am I missing?blearyeyedboy said:
Article said:
Swapping back into the Hyundai after prolonged exposure to the Renault makes its defence unravel further. It's more dynamically dogmatic, offering up fewer approaches to its driver and in a fiercer manner. There's no doubt it's tremendously entertaining and mightily capable, but only when driven the way it wants to be driven - the Renault is more amenable to the driver's wishes
Can anyone explain to a driving non-God what this paragraph means? Even allowing for four wheel steer, I don't understand why one hatch with FWD and an LSD should offer more options than another. It's not like you'll be doing powerslides in the Mégane... so what am I missing?^ Thanks, that's helpful. Happy to cut people slack (!), just wasn't sure if there was something other than throttle sensitivity to play with.
This and other reviews make me wonder whether a good option for fast roads (as opposed to the track) might be a non-Cup car with a manual box. I wonder whether the rear steer makes enough difference to manoeuvrability that swapping an LSD for an inferior eDiff and losing the rough ride might be enough of a trade off while still making you feel like you're in something more special than a Golf GTi.
Or maybe I'm just going soft in my old age.
This and other reviews make me wonder whether a good option for fast roads (as opposed to the track) might be a non-Cup car with a manual box. I wonder whether the rear steer makes enough difference to manoeuvrability that swapping an LSD for an inferior eDiff and losing the rough ride might be enough of a trade off while still making you feel like you're in something more special than a Golf GTi.
Or maybe I'm just going soft in my old age.
I would agreed about the non cup (on 18' wheels) being the better road solution. That's always been the only criticism of the Cup Mk3, it's pretty mundane up to 7/10ths, which is not ideal for your average road drivers as this is probably as fast as anyone will go on the road so the car only starts becoming interesting on track.
DukeDickson said:
otolith said:
It’s a fast Renault - you could write the Evo review yourself without driving it 
Is that the one where they remove every reference to Porsche and RWD and replace with Renault and overcoming the limitations of FWD? While also ignoring the real world most people live in?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff