RE: Pauls Stephens Le Mans Classic Clubsport

RE: Pauls Stephens Le Mans Classic Clubsport

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anniesdad

14,589 posts

239 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Davey S2 said:
On the basis that it would be a car I would probably never sell I'd rather give £150K to Tuthill, Vanthull or one of the other builders and design and build my own hotrod / outlaw 911.
Objectively I'd do the same. But, notwithstanding the monetary concerns, I really like what they've done here.

Chris Harris's car was fantastic.

J4CKO

41,661 posts

201 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Its like every pub is now a Gastro pub, every burger place is gourmet, every old sthole gets gentrified, Every song on an advert gets murdered by a breathy girl singing too slowly, every old 911 seems to be getting this kind of treatment !

Starting at a quarter of a million pounds, its very nice but isn't it a not that special circa 40 grand mid 80s 911 thats been fully restored with a few choice bits on ?

Fair play if they are selling at that but I just don't get quarter of a million quid for an 80s 911 made to look older and a bit like an RS, however nice the hamper is.

I want a full on 80s taste bypass evocation based on a new 991 turbo, Strosek body styling, massive wheels, flat nose, white interior with red piping and a massive car phone, fk yeah, even though I grant you they are very nice, I am getting a bit bored of these oh so tasteful "boutique" 911's now, someone perhaps go in another direction ?



Armitage.Shanks

2,282 posts

86 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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That's a lot of money as I thought Singer started around the same price?

Klassiker911 up in Brighouse can turn out as good/individually tailored for I suspect half the price with a donor vehicle.

unpc

2,837 posts

214 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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suffolk009 said:
daveco said:
RM said:
unpc said:
Agreed the Lotus is far lovelier than the Porsche but as far as I know there's no one out there offering a restomod service for Esprits where wealthy buyers can buy a turnkey product, is there? Maybe I should start one...scratchchin
I always thought a V8 Esprit under a S1 bodyshell would be rather nice.
There would be no issue shifting them. If they could make the V8 sound a bit better it would immediately be twelvty million times cooler than the 911.
Do you mean Lotus V8 or some reliable crate engine? Either way, if you make it an S2 in JPS livery I'm in.
I reckon an S2 or 3 with supercharged V-Tec might suit this car more than a V8 but I'd only bother if the original engine was toast.

Rocket.

1,517 posts

250 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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unpc said:
suffolk009 said:
daveco said:
RM said:
unpc said:
Agreed the Lotus is far lovelier than the Porsche but as far as I know there's no one out there offering a restomod service for Esprits where wealthy buyers can buy a turnkey product, is there? Maybe I should start one...scratchchin
I always thought a V8 Esprit under a S1 bodyshell would be rather nice.
There would be no issue shifting them. If they could make the V8 sound a bit better it would immediately be twelvty million times cooler than the 911.
Do you mean Lotus V8 or some reliable crate engine? Either way, if you make it an S2 in JPS livery I'm in.
I reckon an S2 or 3 with supercharged V-Tec might suit this car more than a V8 but I'd only bother if the original engine was toast.
How about E46 M3, S54 engine ? often wondered if it would fit back there...

406dogvan

5,328 posts

266 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Armitage.Shanks said:
That's a lot of money as I thought Singer started around the same price?
Early Singers started in the 200s (see the Chris Harris video where the guy talks starting mid-high 300,000s in dollars) but things have gotten rather-more serious and I reckon the cars they're whacking-out now are 2-3 times that.

The absolutely bonkers Williams tie-up engine is probably a six figure item in itself - the extensive carbon and interior stuff is 'if you have to ask' territory too

I'm not saying quarter-of-a-mill is cheap but the cost of 911s in general does not reside in the land of the sane does it???

I often wonder how much people pay Nakai san to smoke 20 packs of fags whilst wielding a razor-saw on their automobiles ;0

British Beef

2,220 posts

166 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Rocket. said:
How about E46 M3, S54 engine ? often wondered if it would fit back there...
Not a chance!

Engine too long for bay & matting gearbox. V8 is tight and is hardly any longer than the standard 4.

Rocket.

1,517 posts

250 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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British Beef said:
Not a chance!

Engine too long for bay & matting gearbox. V8 is tight and is hardly any longer than the standard 4.
Shame, figured as much, would have loved a BMW M1 / Lotus restomod !

smithyithy

7,259 posts

119 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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406dogvan said:
I often wonder how much people pay Nakai san to smoke 20 packs of fags whilst wielding a razor-saw on their automobiles ;0
I dread to think cry

Resolutionary

1,263 posts

172 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Looks good, but then it's been pummeled into the petrol-head psyche over the last decade and there are now a great many companies here and overseas cashing in.

I saw this one pop up recently: https://theondesign.com/

One thing I do wonder about this whole restomod scene; how long before all the old 911s are cut / rehashed / modified into something non-original, so the handful of original examples left in existence continue to ascend to Ferrari 250 price levels / be hidden in private collections.

dgmx5

151 posts

250 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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I remember the days, probably only 15 years ago when PS were selling Ginetta and Marcos cars. It was probably not their staple trade but it was what drew me to their website at the time. I can see why tgey went exclusively or at least primarily Porsche... some eyewatering prices there.

dinkel

26,966 posts

259 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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PS also sold Porsche back then and prospects who walked in for a 964 or 993 fell in love with the 2.7 and SC cars. A few asked Paul if he could make a classic with modern (reliable, fast) internals and so he did a few 911s based on the SC and later 964. That's how things started. As Paul was familiar with the 'add lighntness' principle he asked UK suppliers to help him make his take on the 911 theme. Good money: try and make a decent 911 and you're looking at 100k. Making it reliable, pretty and your own sucks up another 100k. These are proper cars.

suffolk009

5,441 posts

166 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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dgmx5 said:
I remember the days, probably only 15 years ago when PS were selling Ginetta and Marcos cars. It was probably not their staple trade but it was what drew me to their website at the time. I can see why tgey went exclusively or at least primarily Porsche... some eyewatering prices there.
PS also did a lot of Caterhams, I sold all three of mine to Paul. I test drove a camoflague green Marcos coupe with a supercharged Mustang engine (and it started snowing) that was interesting. He was also selling Smarts when they were import only. I have one of those from him in 2000-ish.