RE: Noble M600: PH Carpool

RE: Noble M600: PH Carpool

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rare6499

661 posts

140 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Wow what a car! Love that specification as well looks superb.

J4CKO

41,637 posts

201 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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macky17 said:
"Whilst the large majority of us would probably set better lap times in a Nissan GT-R, I don't see the fun in piloting a computer with all the cheat modes activated."

What a perfect turn of phrase. Yes exactly, and the reason I would almost certainly choose the M600 over the competition if I had the funds. Terrific car, sir.
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?


Surprised its for sale after the OP said he is relieved to have found a car he has bonded with ?

One too many "Analogue" moments perhaps ?




Chapppers

4,483 posts

192 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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There are very few / almost no other cars that will actually truly let you turn everything off, particularly ABS. It was what I always loved about my M12, it was absolutely up to you for better or worse.
I do like these but there are so few and they're in such a different market to the M12 I've pretty much just ignored their existence.

I'm really surprised you can run a business having made 25 cars, ever. If they're £270k each, that's £6.7m. Total. Ever. How is the company still running? Do they pay people in washers?

Bencolem

1,019 posts

240 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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It was lovely to be reminded of the M600 again but so disappointing to see yet another Carpool being a sales pitch for a car that’s for sale. Surely it creates bias in any ‘real world’ review. What was the last time Carpool featured a car that actually wasn’t for sale? It should be a rule that you can’t submit if you’re cars for sale.

J4CKO

41,637 posts

201 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Chapppers said:
There are very few / almost no other cars that will actually truly let you turn everything off, particularly ABS. It was what I always loved about my M12, it was absolutely up to you for better or worse.
I do like these but there are so few and they're in such a different market to the M12 I've pretty much just ignored their existence.

I'm really surprised you can run a business having made 25 cars, ever. If they're £270k each, that's £6.7m. Total. Ever. How is the company still running? Do they pay people in washers?
ABS is a legal requirement I believe, suppose could always pull the fuse ? but begs the question why would you want to, maybe on a track but, in the dry it rarely activates on me, even when really hammering the brakes.

It varies from car to car, be interesting to know what cars do truly allow you to completely switch the systems off and which dont, wonder if my M135i does, it has a Sport Plus drive mode that tells you its been switched off and a separate button to turn the Stability/traction control off but not sure if you are completely on your own ?

On the road I would be wary of turning it all completely off but if on a track day I would want to know its me doing it and it not being the electronics bailing me out.

ecs0set

2,471 posts

285 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Gameface said:
Fantastic.

Always had a soft spot for these. I love the roadster.
Conversely, I've never understood these at all. The M12 I got, by all accounts, it was an excellent driver's car with a sensible price and competed against TVR Sagaris, Lotus, etc.

The M600... it just seems 15 years too late and 100k overpriced. The exterior styling doesn't do anything for me against the competition at that price point, and the interior is comparable to a late 1990s Fiesta Ghia. Sure, I get that it's a full carbon body and it's very fast and still a great driver's car but that alone doesn't make it the kind of poster car to warrant the price tag.

I don't know, maybe it's just not my cup of tea. Fair play to anyone who pays full price for one, you've turned down some serious competition (or maybe you've got those cars in your fleet as well).

Edited to add, it reminds me of a Lister Storm or a Spectre R42.


Edited by ecs0set on Monday 9th July 13:04

macky17

2,212 posts

190 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.

cayman-black

12,650 posts

217 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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I just love that car !

cayman-black

12,650 posts

217 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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MrFQ said:
It's actually for sale - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

So you are getting a new one!

Good timing on the article or advert biggrin

Would love one of these if I had the cash.
Hmm good price but a few miles on her. Whats the opposition at this price? nothing as rare that's for sure.

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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a special car.
at that price I'd pref a gumpert apollo. although the one which was for sale has sold

sean ie3

2,035 posts

137 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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The Crack Fox said:
It's a funny setup. They have a factory (a unit in Leicester) but whenever I have driven past there's hardly anyone there.

I wish 'em well, I love the cars, but god knows how they survive financially.

ETA - Finances: https://www.duedil.com/company/gb/03709855/noble-a... , £3m of debt?
£3,000,000, I guess you could run this firm with three people and an iPhone!

ericmcn

1,999 posts

98 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Great machine, £3M is not much on the grand scheme of things, think of all the beer money spent cheering on the 'its coming home' brigade in the last week...

Plug Life

978 posts

92 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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So this is an ad? Clever.

J4CKO

41,637 posts

201 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.
Is the Tuscan a daily driver you use come rain or shine ?

Or do you use a normal modern car with all the safety features ?

p.l.edmonds

17 posts

93 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Ha! I was about to comment on how these Carpool articles work best when there's some balance to the write-up - 'yes the Ferrari goes like stink and looks great, but it's a pig to park and a new headlight bulb cost me £26grand, and someone in Sainsburys called me a rude word for driving it' - that sort of thing. As it is, the writer just bigs up the car like he's writing the marketing piece for it, slightly hammily tries to flower up the language even more, and then sticks it up for sale. Shame on him for flagrantly abusing what is normally a very good column, and poor from Pistonheads for allowing it.

e30m3Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Bencolem said:
What was the last time Carpool featured a car that actually wasn’t for sale? It should be a rule that you can’t submit if you’re cars for sale.
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-carpool/bmw-m3-e30--ph-carpool/31187

Readers ride.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

smile

Matty2449

33 posts

77 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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I'd give my left nut for one of these.
And my right.

SturdyHSV

10,101 posts

168 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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p.l.edmonds said:
poor from Pistonheads for allowing it.
I believe Haymarket are mostly interested in the car sales part of the website, so presumably they'd very much encourage this sort of sophisticated sales technique smile

macky17

2,212 posts

190 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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J4CKO said:
macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.
Is the Tuscan a daily driver you use come rain or shine ?

Or do you use a normal modern car with all the safety features ?
Tuscan is a weekend toy, which is what an M600 would be surely? I've always thought one benchmark of a genuinely fun, involving car is that it's compromised as a daily. The easier/safer/more usable you make it, the more you seem to lose - that's the point I'm making. Hence why I'd have this as a toy over a McLaren or 488, etc. Anyway, I don't want to fall out with a former Fiat Coupe Turbo owner - lovely things, I had 3 of 'em.

P.S. My daily is a Golf R (which I drive with everything switched off 90% of the time...)

J4CKO

41,637 posts

201 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.
Is the Tuscan a daily driver you use come rain or shine ?

Or do you use a normal modern car with all the safety features ?
Tuscan is a weekend toy, which is what an M600 would be surely? I've always thought one benchmark of a genuinely fun, involving car is that it's compromised as a daily. The easier/safer/more usable you make it, the more you seem to lose - that's the point I'm making. Hence why I'd have this as a toy over a McLaren or 488, etc. Anyway, I don't want to fall out with a former Fiat Coupe Turbo owner - lovely things, I had 3 of 'em.

P.S. My daily is a Golf R (which I drive with everything switched off 90% of the time...)
Lol, nobody falling out, my Fiat Coupe didn't work out so well for me though, loved it, but not as much as it loved drinking oil.

I tend to leave the electronics switched on as an M135i, especially one that has had a little tweak, needs me to be a bit more confident and skilled in its use, its a bit of a chicken and egg situation, the Stability control is a bit intrusive but I need to build the confidence in it but need a bit of space to experiment.