RE: Noble M600: PH Carpool
Discussion
macky17 said:
"Whilst the large majority of us would probably set better lap times in a Nissan GT-R, I don't see the fun in piloting a computer with all the cheat modes activated."
What a perfect turn of phrase. Yes exactly, and the reason I would almost certainly choose the M600 over the competition if I had the funds. Terrific car, sir.
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?What a perfect turn of phrase. Yes exactly, and the reason I would almost certainly choose the M600 over the competition if I had the funds. Terrific car, sir.
Surprised its for sale after the OP said he is relieved to have found a car he has bonded with ?
One too many "Analogue" moments perhaps ?
There are very few / almost no other cars that will actually truly let you turn everything off, particularly ABS. It was what I always loved about my M12, it was absolutely up to you for better or worse.
I do like these but there are so few and they're in such a different market to the M12 I've pretty much just ignored their existence.
I'm really surprised you can run a business having made 25 cars, ever. If they're £270k each, that's £6.7m. Total. Ever. How is the company still running? Do they pay people in washers?
I do like these but there are so few and they're in such a different market to the M12 I've pretty much just ignored their existence.
I'm really surprised you can run a business having made 25 cars, ever. If they're £270k each, that's £6.7m. Total. Ever. How is the company still running? Do they pay people in washers?
It was lovely to be reminded of the M600 again but so disappointing to see yet another Carpool being a sales pitch for a car that’s for sale. Surely it creates bias in any ‘real world’ review. What was the last time Carpool featured a car that actually wasn’t for sale? It should be a rule that you can’t submit if you’re cars for sale.
Chapppers said:
There are very few / almost no other cars that will actually truly let you turn everything off, particularly ABS. It was what I always loved about my M12, it was absolutely up to you for better or worse.
I do like these but there are so few and they're in such a different market to the M12 I've pretty much just ignored their existence.
I'm really surprised you can run a business having made 25 cars, ever. If they're £270k each, that's £6.7m. Total. Ever. How is the company still running? Do they pay people in washers?
ABS is a legal requirement I believe, suppose could always pull the fuse ? but begs the question why would you want to, maybe on a track but, in the dry it rarely activates on me, even when really hammering the brakes.I do like these but there are so few and they're in such a different market to the M12 I've pretty much just ignored their existence.
I'm really surprised you can run a business having made 25 cars, ever. If they're £270k each, that's £6.7m. Total. Ever. How is the company still running? Do they pay people in washers?
It varies from car to car, be interesting to know what cars do truly allow you to completely switch the systems off and which dont, wonder if my M135i does, it has a Sport Plus drive mode that tells you its been switched off and a separate button to turn the Stability/traction control off but not sure if you are completely on your own ?
On the road I would be wary of turning it all completely off but if on a track day I would want to know its me doing it and it not being the electronics bailing me out.
Gameface said:
Fantastic.
Always had a soft spot for these. I love the roadster.
Conversely, I've never understood these at all. The M12 I got, by all accounts, it was an excellent driver's car with a sensible price and competed against TVR Sagaris, Lotus, etc.Always had a soft spot for these. I love the roadster.
The M600... it just seems 15 years too late and 100k overpriced. The exterior styling doesn't do anything for me against the competition at that price point, and the interior is comparable to a late 1990s Fiesta Ghia. Sure, I get that it's a full carbon body and it's very fast and still a great driver's car but that alone doesn't make it the kind of poster car to warrant the price tag.
I don't know, maybe it's just not my cup of tea. Fair play to anyone who pays full price for one, you've turned down some serious competition (or maybe you've got those cars in your fleet as well).
Edited to add, it reminds me of a Lister Storm or a Spectre R42.
Edited by ecs0set on Monday 9th July 13:04
MrFQ said:
It's actually for sale - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
So you are getting a new one!
Good timing on the article or advert
Would love one of these if I had the cash.
Hmm good price but a few miles on her. Whats the opposition at this price? nothing as rare that's for sure.So you are getting a new one!
Good timing on the article or advert
Would love one of these if I had the cash.
The Crack Fox said:
It's a funny setup. They have a factory (a unit in Leicester) but whenever I have driven past there's hardly anyone there.
I wish 'em well, I love the cars, but god knows how they survive financially.
ETA - Finances: https://www.duedil.com/company/gb/03709855/noble-a... , £3m of debt?
£3,000,000, I guess you could run this firm with three people and an iPhone!I wish 'em well, I love the cars, but god knows how they survive financially.
ETA - Finances: https://www.duedil.com/company/gb/03709855/noble-a... , £3m of debt?
macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.Or do you use a normal modern car with all the safety features ?
Ha! I was about to comment on how these Carpool articles work best when there's some balance to the write-up - 'yes the Ferrari goes like stink and looks great, but it's a pig to park and a new headlight bulb cost me £26grand, and someone in Sainsburys called me a rude word for driving it' - that sort of thing. As it is, the writer just bigs up the car like he's writing the marketing piece for it, slightly hammily tries to flower up the language even more, and then sticks it up for sale. Shame on him for flagrantly abusing what is normally a very good column, and poor from Pistonheads for allowing it.
Bencolem said:
What was the last time Carpool featured a car that actually wasn’t for sale? It should be a rule that you can’t submit if you’re cars for sale.
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-carpool/bmw-m3-e30--ph-carpool/31187Readers ride.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
J4CKO said:
macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.Or do you use a normal modern car with all the safety features ?
P.S. My daily is a Golf R (which I drive with everything switched off 90% of the time...)
macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
macky17 said:
J4CKO said:
So people would choose a car with absolutely no stability control or other driver aids over cars that have it but can be turned off ?
Currently own a Tuscan S. Before that an M400. So er... yes. Thought that was pretty clear. It's called driving.Or do you use a normal modern car with all the safety features ?
P.S. My daily is a Golf R (which I drive with everything switched off 90% of the time...)
I tend to leave the electronics switched on as an M135i, especially one that has had a little tweak, needs me to be a bit more confident and skilled in its use, its a bit of a chicken and egg situation, the Stability control is a bit intrusive but I need to build the confidence in it but need a bit of space to experiment.
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