RE: Singer 'Dynamics and Lightweighting Study'

[Vaud]

thegreenhell said:

I think in general most people expect a new car to be bigger, more powerful, faster, and have more toys than the old car, because 'more' is obviously 'better'. Afterall, why bother designing a new car if it isn't 'better' than the old one?

Except MX5s which should be smaller and lighter :-)

[UltimaCH]

A great technical achievement. Now where do you fix the numberplate on the back?

[e30m3Mark]

Vaud said:

thegreenhell said:

I think in general most people expect a new car to be bigger, more powerful, faster, and have more toys than the old car, because 'more' is obviously 'better'. Afterall, why bother designing a new car if it isn't 'better' than the old one?

Except MX5s which should be smaller and lighter :-)

Mazda have seen the benefit of lightweight and proved you can have a bigger, safer modern that's as light and nimble as the older, original car.

[Davey S2]

Blown2CV said:

Davey S2 said:

Blown2CV said:

LordHaveMurci said:

Doesn't this car miss the point?

If you want really bloody quick you buy a new supercar/hypercar, if you want character & involvement you buy an older car & enjoy it for what it is.

Just don't get this, despite really wanting to & having a life long love of most things 911.

you've utterly missed the point. Lightness, handling, control, feel, feedback... all things moderns don't have.

Henry Catchpole would disagree with you. In his recent Carfection 991.2 GT3 review he gushes about all of those things.

but it's not a side by side comparison is it? Do you know how much they each weigh?

No its not and I don't know the weights but assume the Singer is lighter.

That wasn't the point though. There are still a few modern cars which do have brilliant handling, control, feel and feedback, the 991.2 GT3 is seemingly one of them.

[Blown2CV]

Davey S2 said:

Blown2CV said:

Davey S2 said:

Blown2CV said:

LordHaveMurci said:

Doesn't this car miss the point?

If you want really bloody quick you buy a new supercar/hypercar, if you want character & involvement you buy an older car & enjoy it for what it is.

Just don't get this, despite really wanting to & having a life long love of most things 911.

you've utterly missed the point. Lightness, handling, control, feel, feedback... all things moderns don't have.

Henry Catchpole would disagree with you. In his recent Carfection 991.2 GT3 review he gushes about all of those things.

but it's not a side by side comparison is it? Do you know how much they each weigh?

No its not and I don't know the weights but assume the Singer is lighter.

That wasn't the point though. There are still a few modern cars which do have brilliant handling, control, feel and feedback, the 991.2 GT3 is seemingly one of them.

brilliant compared to what, other modern cars? Not much of a high bar that is it?

[funt1m3]

Oh. My. God.

Just jaw droppingily gorgeous.

I've not had a poster of a car up on my wall for 23 years since the F50 (next to ginger spice!)

This is getting made into a poster and going on my son's wall. Filthy filthy filthy

[The Vambo]

e30m3Mark said:

Vaud said:

thegreenhell said:

I think in general most people expect a new car to be bigger, more powerful, faster, and have more toys than the old car, because 'more' is obviously 'better'. Afterall, why bother designing a new car if it isn't 'better' than the old one?

Except MX5s which should be smaller and lighter :-)

Mazda have seen the benefit of lightweight and proved you can have a bigger, safer modern that's as light and nimble as the older, original car.

Yeah but no.

The Mazda MX5 is in a niche market of 1, they can be bold with the car as the inevitable mistakes that come with trying new things aren't so obvious without any direct competition.

A 5 series is sold by being a tiny bit bigger, faster safer etc than an E class or an XF. The manufactures playing leapfrog is what has lead to bigger but not actually any heavier cars.

[Vaud]

The Vambo said:

Yeah but no.

The Mazda MX5 is in a niche market of 1, they can be bold with the car as the inevitable mistakes that come with trying new things aren't so obvious without any direct competition.

Niche of 2. Fiat 124.... though some platform crossover they are slightly different.

[flatso]

Had to revisit the thread and that TopGear video of it....nice head theater imagery for going to sleep with!

[globalfish]

I'd have hoped that the passenger door would have fitted better for the money.

In all honesty though, door aside, I'm not a huge 911 fan but I thought this was one of the most beautiful cars on display at FoS on Friday.

[thegreenhell]

In action at GFoS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA4bwbAEnvM

[wst]

Every panel is remade in carbon fibre (something I love the idea of, tbh) but they don't make the huge arches smoothly blend together? I find that unusual, but it wouldn't put me totally off... it just seems curious to me.

[The Vambo]

Vaud said:

The Vambo said:

Yeah but no.

The Mazda MX5 is in a niche market of 1, they can be bold with the car as the inevitable mistakes that come with trying new things aren't so obvious without any direct competition.

Niche of 2. Fiat 124.... though some platform crossover they are slightly different.

good one.

I was talking about cars people will actually buy and then trade that in and buy that brand again.

[Vaud]

The Vambo said:

good one.

I was talking about cars people will actually buy and then trade that in and buy that brand again.

Indeed. Apologies as I was in a pedantic mood...

[The Vambo]

Vaud said:

The Vambo said:

good one.

I was talking about cars people will actually buy and then trade that in and buy that brand again.

Indeed. Apologies as I was in a pedantic mood...

no need in the slightest.

[mikey P 500]

Looked even better in real life at FOS than any photos of videos show in my opinion.

[coppice]

Terminator X said:

Only getting bigger due to safety regs though? Can't believe that manufacturers are deliberately building bigger cars for no reason.

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TX.

There's no safety regulation stipulating that all 911s must have Kardashian size arses nor one stipulating that new SUVs from -retch- premium brands - must weigh at least two tonnes . They make 'em because (good taste be damned) far too many people think that if enough is as good as a feast then more must be better.

[Maxige]

I was out in the red prototype yesterday....one of the most incredible engines I've ever experienced. Reminds me of a McLaren F1 in terms of inertia (or complete lack of...) and noise. It's an astonishing car, once you see it and take in all the details you can totally see where the price tag comes from. It's just mind blowing!

[CABC]

Davey S2 said:

Blown2CV said:

LordHaveMurci said:

Doesn't this car miss the point?

If you want really bloody quick you buy a new supercar/hypercar, if you want character & involvement you buy an older car & enjoy it for what it is.

Just don't get this, despite really wanting to & having a life long love of most things 911.

you've utterly missed the point. Lightness, handling, control, feel, feedback... all things moderns don't have.

Henry Catchpole would disagree with you. In his recent Carfection 991.2 GT3 review he gushes about all of those things.

Henry has credibility but he still tends to gush over new cars. it's his job after all.
cars from the past had one huge benefit, they were lighter and that means so much more than people realise for a car's handling and feel. (sure, it might also be noisier and less comfortable). All those 90s cars people have fond memories about, well they were light and nowhere near as 'good' as today's cars.

[s m]

What does it actually weigh in ready to drive form? Or is it all a bit hush-hush still?