RE: Shed of the Week: Audi 100 Avant
Discussion
What I don't understand is Audi now produce a 5 cylinder for the RS3 and TT RS that produces about 400bhp. Why don't they introduce a detuned version of this for their longitudinal ranges? The 5 produces such a distinctive and interesting sound and has to be lighter and cheaper to make than a V6.
While I can't imagine the 4 cylinder in an A8 a hybrid turbo 5 would shift it round quite nicely...
While I can't imagine the 4 cylinder in an A8 a hybrid turbo 5 would shift it round quite nicely...
You'd have to be barmy to want one of these over an E34 six-cylinder Touring (even if just the humble 520i) or a W124 300TE or E280/E320...
CDP said:
What I don't understand is Audi now produce a 5 cylinder for the RS3 and TT RS that produces about 400bhp. Why don't they introduce a detuned version of this for their longitudinal ranges? The 5 produces such a distinctive and interesting sound and has to be lighter and cheaper to make than a V6.
While I can't imagine the 4 cylinder in an A8 a hybrid turbo 5 would shift it round quite nicely...
The 5-pot is long, bulky and the block is iron... the V6 is short and all-alloy.While I can't imagine the 4 cylinder in an A8 a hybrid turbo 5 would shift it round quite nicely...
TWPC said:
The Audi seemed so stupendously modern compared to the then decade old Merc but somehow the Merc grew on me and remains an all time favorite car of mine. The Audi is cool but the Merc is a classic.
Sa Calobra said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, no way it would handle, I mean, look at it...
But thats an UR quattro, they seemed to manage ok ?
YeahBut thats an UR quattro, they seemed to manage ok ?
If we are talking about cars that were seen as good decades ago decades ago...
J4CKO said:
The UR is still regards as being quite good now, engine placement is only one factor in the handling equation, did you ever own or drive one to make the assertion that the handling was terrible ? I always found mine to handle pretty well for a big, fwd car, not sure it would be a paragon of roadholding now but it always seemed perfectly decent and not hamstrung by the engine being so far forward and I used to hustle it pretty quickly.
I find the engine layout of Audis very strange, I don't have any personal experience of an UR Quattro but the laws of physics are what they are, so if they did manage to make it handle well they did it despite that absurd engine placement. I went shopping yesterday and foolishly filled the bit at the front of the trolley with tins of cat food, and I have to say the trolley was then very reminiscent of my experience of driving the cooking Audis I occasionally have inflicted on me. It rode about as well as an S-Line too.
My Dad and I developed a "fast wet roundabout" technique in my old Passat (longitudinal engine, strung way ahead of the front wheels - as an Audi, which it essentially was) which was, turn in, plant throttle, aiming for exit after the one you want, and then you will understeer off at the one you actually want!
You see, it's all about adapting your driving style to the car!
You see, it's all about adapting your driving style to the car!
Edited by Triumph Man on Monday 16th July 13:50
dme123 said:
I went shopping yesterday and foolishly filled the bit at the front of the trolley with tins of cat food
You write that as if you don't have a cat. Do you have a cat?Also, not a valid comparison unless the motive power (you) was pulling from the front rather than pushing from the rear
Better still, have a colleague pull from the front AT THE SAME TIME as you push from the rear - for the full quattro effect.Shopping trolley unlikely to match the Audi's 0.30 cd, though and probably won't make a nice warbly 5 cylinder noise either, unless you're really entering into the spirit of things.
s m said:
Mention of a Carlton!
I've literally just had one behind me at the lights - a Carlton Diplomat no less Jimmy - K410 VFP
These Audi 100 were pretty special back in the day.
And I agree with the comments - it was from a time when it meant something to own a prestige, German car. They were a rare sight on the roads compared to what people were driving at the time.
Take a look at some old Police, Camera, Action videos on YouTube and check out the lack of anything foreign on the roads! Every other car was a Ford, Vauxhall or Rover, with the odd French car thrown in. When you see a German car, you can see how they stood out from the crowd.
Nowadays, everything just looks similar with no character!
pSyCoSiS said:
Hahah - my old man used to have a Carlton 1.8 GL back in the early 90s - they were spacious cars and felt executive for their time.
These Audi 100 were pretty special back in the day.
And I agree with the comments - it was from a time when it meant something to own a prestige, German car. They were a rare sight on the roads compared to what people were driving at the time.
Take a look at some old Police, Camera, Action videos on YouTube and check out the lack of anything foreign on the roads! Every other car was a Ford, Vauxhall or Rover, with the odd French car thrown in. When you see a German car, you can see how they stood out from the crowd.
Nowadays, everything just looks similar with no character!
I remember when my dad got his first German company car. It was an Audi 100 Avant CC, in 1985, so the same shape as this one. Only a 1.8 and, I think, carburettor not fuel injected. White, blue seats, manual windows and no sunroof. Far less kit than the Cavalier SRi that preceded it. But it was a rare sight back then. Unlike today when white Audi’s are two a penny These Audi 100 were pretty special back in the day.
And I agree with the comments - it was from a time when it meant something to own a prestige, German car. They were a rare sight on the roads compared to what people were driving at the time.
Take a look at some old Police, Camera, Action videos on YouTube and check out the lack of anything foreign on the roads! Every other car was a Ford, Vauxhall or Rover, with the odd French car thrown in. When you see a German car, you can see how they stood out from the crowd.
Nowadays, everything just looks similar with no character!
Turbobanana said:
dme123 said:
I went shopping yesterday and foolishly filled the bit at the front of the trolley with tins of cat food
You write that as if you don't have a cat. Do you have a cat?Also, not a valid comparison unless the motive power (you) was pulling from the front rather than pushing from the rear
Better still, have a colleague pull from the front AT THE SAME TIME as you push from the rear - for the full quattro effect.Shopping trolley unlikely to match the Audi's 0.30 cd, though and probably won't make a nice warbly 5 cylinder noise either, unless you're really entering into the spirit of things.
J4CKO said:
Turbobanana said:
dme123 said:
I went shopping yesterday and foolishly filled the bit at the front of the trolley with tins of cat food
You write that as if you don't have a cat. Do you have a cat?Also, not a valid comparison unless the motive power (you) was pulling from the front rather than pushing from the rear
Better still, have a colleague pull from the front AT THE SAME TIME as you push from the rear - for the full quattro effect.Shopping trolley unlikely to match the Audi's 0.30 cd, though and probably won't make a nice warbly 5 cylinder noise either, unless you're really entering into the spirit of things.
RoverP6B said:
You'd have to be barmy to want one of these over an E34 six-cylinder Touring (even if just the humble 520i) or a W124 300TE or E280/E320...
Is it that heavy? OK, it's a long time ago and the engine in the 100 but my brother had a Santana GX5. The 1.9 litre 5 cylinder failed but with a bit of oil pipe and mounting swapping managed to get the 2.2 Audi in there. We were very pleasantly surprised how light the five cylinder was. A Ford Zetec certainly seems heavier, or maybe I'm getting old? I don't think the V6 with it's extra cylinder head and cams would be that much lighter but not having weighed them...CDP said:
What I don't understand is Audi now produce a 5 cylinder for the RS3 and TT RS that produces about 400bhp. Why don't they introduce a detuned version of this for their longitudinal ranges? The 5 produces such a distinctive and interesting sound and has to be lighter and cheaper to make than a V6.
While I can't imagine the 4 cylinder in an A8 a hybrid turbo 5 would shift it round quite nicely...
The 5-pot is long, bulky and the block is iron... the V6 is short and all-alloy.While I can't imagine the 4 cylinder in an A8 a hybrid turbo 5 would shift it round quite nicely...
While my favourites are V12s and inline sixes I do love the noise those Audi fives make.
s m said:
Mention of a Carlton!
I've literally just had one behind me at the lights - a Carlton Diplomat no less Jimmy - K410 VFP
I had a mad idea of buying a cheap and rusty Senator 3.0 12 valve a few weeks ago, but I didn't have the courage to go through with it!
Blackpuddin said:
Younger PHers might not get the Audi because they weren't around when it came out, but it really was way ahead of the opposition at the time. The diesel 100 was a revelation in the class.
I think some people have judged the Audi by the standards of today - not only was it ultra modern when it was new, it was in a different category to today. You can trace it down to the present Audi A6, but it was a nicer car then than the A6 is now. I'd even go so far as to say that something like a Carlton or Granada was a posher car than an A6 or a 5-Series today - a 2018 5-Series or A6 is more like what a Sierra or Cavalier was then.Edited by Jimmy Recard on Wednesday 18th July 20:25
Edited by Jimmy Recard on Wednesday 18th July 20:26
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