RE: Citroen Saxo VTS: Spotted
Discussion
NordicCrankShaft said:
I had a 2001 facelift VTS in topaz metallic (gold) from brand new as a 17 year old, insured under the old man's name, with a kevlar ram Air induction kit, a manifold back exhaust, some cams and some head work, had it rolling Roade during a "saxo sport club" meeting at 172bhp which in this day is nothing but that thing was unreal quick around tracks and b roads. I absolutely loved it and like a poster above mentioned, it was the go nation of me learning to properly drive and handle a car. So much fun!!
It didn't really have that much.Tankrizzo said:
jako1 said:
It didn't really have that much.
Pretty sure you could make that from lumpy cams and a map, I broke 150bhp with just headwork and breathing mods, standard cams and mapping.Standard engines can make that 30 years ago
A guy had one of these at a place we're I worked in stockport in 2001 . It was a white one he had it lowered kept the looks standard it looked mint . All I remember he took me for a spin a few times . It just felt slow I was driving a vw polo at the time lol . Obviously the saxo vts was quicker but just didn't feel fast . Think he'd only done basic mods air induction etc . I wouldn't mind having one myself nice looking cars and I bet with a few mods power turned up a bit they would be more fun .
asimmalik said:
s m said:
Seems perfectly possible to me - 107bhp per litre for a fairly tuned 1.6 litre
Standard engines can make that 30 years ago
Not when it only started with 75bhp/litre. It would need forced induction or ITBs to get anywhere near that figureStandard engines can make that 30 years ago
A lot easier with ITBs though agreed
s m said:
The people who did his engine used to do one retaining the standard throttle body that put out very close to that figure - 150ish atw ( probably close to his claim plus vagaries of rolling roads ). Expensive but possible. You'd need more details to really know
A lot easier with ITBs though agreed
They responded better than the 8v 205 GTi engines to equivalent tuning, +30bhp easy/common with head, cam , decat and exhaust, 205 GTi I needed a blue printed engine + head and cams to get a real 25bhp gain (though better power band).A lot easier with ITBs though agreed
Motorrad said:
A great car but as alluded to in the article a Clio Sport is a better car in every way.
That's where my 3k would go, for no other reason than you need tiny feet to operate a VTS with any sort of fineness.
I test drove one once, with a very serious intention of buying one but I hated how close together the pedals were and the weird ofset position of them. Shame really, as it's a car I've always admired and one I've always wanted to take for a spirited drive down a B road.That's where my 3k would go, for no other reason than you need tiny feet to operate a VTS with any sort of fineness.
I had a (slightly knackered) Peugeot 106 for a month last year and rather liked its light-hearted handling and enthusiastic engine. I did not like how much of a squeeze it was to sit in - but that's probably my own fault for being mildly tall with somewhat short legs - and I'm pretty sure I've now got stress fractures in my pelvis and both femurs just from thinking about what it would be like in a crash.
Still the fastest thing I've ever seen heading onto a slip-road. I think the small size, but tiny weight and modern grip made it look like a barrel of laughs.
The last car I remember that actually had a proper community behind it. They were everywhere, and being cheap, cheerful, quick and modifiable, they were without the smug w
ker attitude that surrounds modern hot hatches (most of which have more in common with a late 90s M5 estate than they do a saxo, which is tragic).
The last car I remember that actually had a proper community behind it. They were everywhere, and being cheap, cheerful, quick and modifiable, they were without the smug w
ker attitude that surrounds modern hot hatches (most of which have more in common with a late 90s M5 estate than they do a saxo, which is tragic). Looking at the current prices of 106 Rallyes, I'd get in quick if you want one!
I always remember the 5th gear episode when Tiff was chasing VBH around the track, in one, she driving the then new phase 1 Clio 172. He was all over the back of her car in the corners and just losing a car length or two on the straights. It really was a close run thing, as those lap times quoted by S M above demonstrate. Quite a tool then for just 120 BHP!
And yeah, I preferred hot hatches when they were small and light like these, the new Civic Type R is like an S Class Merc in comparison to one of these Saxos.
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